Need Help with UCC-11 Form Search Results - Missing Critical Filing Info
I'm trying to track down some collateral information for a loan restructuring and ran a UCC-11 search but I'm getting confusing results. The search shows multiple filings under slightly different debtor names (like "ABC Manufacturing LLC" vs "ABC Manufacturing, LLC" with the comma) and I can't tell which ones are actually valid or if they're all for the same entity. Some of the UCC-11 results show continuation filings but the original UCC-1 numbers don't match what I expected. Is there a way to verify if these are all the same debtor or if there are multiple entities involved? The loan documents reference specific equipment but the collateral descriptions in the search results are pretty vague. This is holding up our entire restructuring timeline and I need to get clarity on what liens are actually perfected against this borrower.
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Dylan Cooper
UCC-11 searches can be tricky especially with entity name variations. The comma issue you mentioned is actually pretty common - different clerks or filing systems handle punctuation differently. Have you tried running separate searches for each name variation? Also check if there's a "doing business as" or trade name involved that might explain the discrepancies.
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
•Good point about the DBA angle. I hadn't considered that. The borrower does have a few trade names they operate under. Should I be searching those separately too?
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Dylan Cooper
•Absolutely. And make sure you're searching both the legal entity name from their charter documents and any trade names. The UCC-11 might pick up filings under different name variations that are all the same company.
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Sofia Ramirez
This is exactly why I started using Certana.ai for UCC document verification. You can upload your loan docs and the UCC-11 search results as PDFs and it will instantly cross-check all the debtor names and filing numbers to show you which ones actually match. Saved me hours of manual comparison work and caught name inconsistencies I would have missed.
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
•That sounds really helpful. Does it handle the name variation issues automatically or do you still need to identify all the possible name formats?
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Sofia Ramirez
•It's pretty smart about catching variations - punctuation, spacing, entity type abbreviations like LLC vs L.L.C. Just upload your documents and it highlights any potential matches or discrepancies across all the filings.
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Dmitry Volkov
•I've been manually doing this kind of cross-checking for years and it's such a pain. Might have to look into that tool.
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StarSeeker
The mismatched UCC-1 numbers you're seeing could be amendments or continuations that got assigned new filing numbers by the secretary of state. Each UCC-3 amendment sometimes gets its own number even though it relates back to the original UCC-1. You need to trace the chain of filings to see the full picture.
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
•That makes sense. Is there a standard way to trace these filing chains or is it just a matter of going through each one manually?
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StarSeeker
•Most states have a "related filings" section on their UCC search portals, but it's not always reliable. Sometimes you have to cross-reference the original filing numbers mentioned in the continuation or amendment forms.
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Ava Martinez
ugh this is why i hate ucc searches. spent 3 hours last week trying to figure out if a termination was properly filed because the debtor name had one extra space in it. the system should be smarter about this stuff
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Miguel Ortiz
•Tell me about it. I had a deal almost fall through because nobody caught that the UCC-1 had "Corp" and the loan docs had "Corporation" - lender freaked out thinking the lien wasn't perfected.
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Ava Martinez
•exactly! and then you have to explain to clients why this tiny detail could invalidate their security interest. its ridiculous
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Zainab Omar
For collateral description issues, remember that UCC-1 filings often use broader language than what's specifically listed in the loan agreement. The filing might say "all equipment" while your loan docs list specific serial numbers. Both can be valid - the UCC-1 is designed to provide notice, not a detailed inventory.
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
•Right, but how do I know if the broad collateral description actually covers the specific equipment in my loan? The UCC-11 shows "machinery and equipment" but my loan is secured by very specific manufacturing equipment.
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Zainab Omar
•Machinery and" equipment would typically cover manufacturing equipment unless'there s something very unusual about it. The key is whether a reasonable person would understand that your specific equipment falls under thatcategory.
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Connor Murphy
•Be careful though - I've seen cases where overly broad descriptions got challenged. If it's a significant loan you might want to get a legal opinion on whether the collateral description is sufficient.
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Yara Sayegh
Are you sure you're searching in the right state? If this is a multi-state operation the UCC-1 should be filed where the debtor is organized (usually where they incorporated) not necessarily where the collateral is located.
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
•Good catch. The borrower is incorporated in Delaware but operates in Texas. I was searching Texas first since that's where their main facility is.
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Yara Sayegh
•Yeah, you need to search Delaware for UCC-1 filings on entity debtors. Texas would only be relevant if there are fixture filings or specific state requirements.
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NebulaNova
Just went through something similar last month. Had a UCC-11 showing what looked like conflicting filings but turned out one was a partial termination and the other was a continuation of the remaining collateral. The filing descriptions made it look like two separate deals but it was all one transaction that got modified over time.
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
•How did you figure out they were related? Was it obvious from the filing dates or did you have to dig deeper?
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NebulaNova
•Had to look at the actual UCC-3 forms, not just the search summary. The amendment forms referenced the original filing number and explained what was being terminated vs continued.
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Keisha Williams
Pro tip: if you're dealing with equipment financing, check if any of those UCC filings are fixture filings. Manufacturing equipment that's permanently attached to real estate might be filed as fixtures in the real estate records instead of or in addition to the UCC system.
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
•The equipment is bolted down but I think it's still removable. Would that typically be considered fixtures or personal property for UCC purposes?
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Keisha Williams
•That's a gray area that depends on state law and how permanently attached it is. If there's any doubt, smart lenders file both a regular UCC-1 and a fixture filing to cover all bases.
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Paolo Conti
I ran into this exact issue and ended up using one of those document verification tools someone mentioned earlier. Turned out three different filings I thought were separate entities were all continuations and amendments of the same original UCC-1, just with slightly different debtor name formatting. The tool mapped out the whole filing history automatically.
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
•Which tool did you use? I'm definitely interested in something that can automate this process.
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Paolo Conti
•Certana.ai - you just upload all your documents and it shows you the connections between filings. Really helpful for complex situations like yours where there are multiple filings with name variations.
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Amina Diallo
Don't forget to check the filing dates against your loan timeline. Sometimes what looks like a current perfected lien is actually a lapsed continuation that never got renewed. UCC-1 filings expire after 5 years unless properly continued.
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
•Good point. A couple of these filings are from 2018 so they'd be getting close to expiration if they weren't continued.
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Amina Diallo
•Exactly. Look for UCC-3 continuation statements filed before the 5-year mark. If the original lender didn't file continuations, those liens might have lapsed even though they still show up in searches.
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Oliver Schulz
•This is why I always set calendar reminders for continuation deadlines. Too easy to let a perfected lien lapse by missing the deadline.
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Natasha Kuznetsova
Final thought - if this is for a loan restructuring, make sure you understand the priority of all these filings. Even if they're all valid, the first-to-file rule means older UCC-1s have priority over newer ones. That could affect your restructuring negotiations.
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
•That's a crucial point I hadn't fully considered. We need to map out not just what liens exist but their relative priority positions.
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Natasha Kuznetsova
•Right. And if you're adding new collateral or modifying existing security interests, you'll want to make sure your new filings don't inadvertently subordinate your position to existing liens.
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