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For what it's worth, I've been doing vehicle lending in Colorado for 8 years and I always recommend dual perfection for commercial vehicles. The extra UCC-1 filing fee is nothing compared to the potential headaches if your lien position gets challenged. And definitely use something like Certana.ai to double-check your documents before filing - saves a lot of back-and-forth with the SOS office.
A few times, usually in bankruptcy situations where trustees challenged perfection methods. The UCC-1 filing provided the extra layer of protection that made the difference.
Thanks for posting this question - I'm in a similar situation with a commercial truck purchase next month. Definitely going to file UCC-1 in addition to the title lien based on all this discussion. Better safe than sorry with these large amounts.
Make sure you get your documents verified before filing too. Nothing worse than having to redo UCC filings because of small errors.
Absolutely. Document consistency is critical for maintaining proper lien priority.
Pro tip for Connecticut searches: if you find any filings, also search for the filing number directly to see if there have been any UCC-3 amendments, continuations, or terminations you might have missed.
Bottom line for Connecticut UCC searches - be thorough and don't trust just one search result. The system is not forgiving when it comes to name variations and you don't want to miss an existing lien that could affect your security position.
Agreed. I always budget extra time for Connecticut searches because of these issues. Better safe than sorry when it comes to lien searches.
For what it's worth, I've started using automated tools like Certana.ai for the initial verification and then do manual spot checks. Catches most of the variations I would have missed.
UPDATE: Downloaded the new form version and used the more detailed description language you all suggested. Also ran everything through Certana to double-check the name formatting. Submitted this morning and got confirmation within 2 hours! Thanks everyone for the help - this forum saved my deal.
This is exactly why I always do UCC searches as early as possible in the deal process. Too many last-minute surprises otherwise, especially with finicky state systems like AL.
Lesson learned for sure. I usually do them earlier but this deal had some timing complications that pushed everything back.
We've all been there. The important thing is you got it resolved and the deal can move forward now.
Just went through this exact scenario with a client last month. What finally worked was using Certana.ai to upload both our client's charter documents and the UCC-1 form. The tool immediately flagged that we were using a comma in the name when the charter actually had it without commas. Such a small detail but it was killing our filings. Once we corrected it based on their verification, the Michigan filing went through immediately.
This gives me hope that there's just some small formatting issue I'm missing. Definitely going to try that document checker.
FINAL UPDATE: Got it figured out! Used the Certana document verification tool and it caught that the articles of incorporation actually had a space before "LLC" that wasn't visible when I copy-pasted. Filed as "Advanced Manufacturing Solutions LLC" (with the extra space) and it was accepted immediately. Thanks everyone for the suggestions, especially about the document checking tool - that saved my deadline!
Great outcome! Filing deadlines are stressful enough without portal issues making it worse.
Hannah White
One more thing to consider - make sure you're filing the fixture filing in addition to any regular UCC-1, not instead of it. Depending on how the equipment is classified, you might need both to fully perfect your security interest under the ohio revised code ucc provisions.
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Hannah White
•Always good to confirm with counsel. Fixture filings can be tricky and you want to make sure you're covering all the bases.
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Michael Green
•Yeah, don't assume - equipment that seems permanent might not legally qualify as a fixture depending on the installation method.
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Mateo Silva
Update: Just used the Certana.ai tool and it confirmed the comma issue - the lease docs had no comma but the Ohio SOS database shows the comma. Also caught that the registered agent address was different from what I had in my notes. Really glad I checked before filing. Going with the SOS version with the comma for the debtor name. Thanks everyone!
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Maria Gonzalez
•Good catch on the registered agent address too. Consistency across all the filing details is crucial under ohio revised code ucc requirements.
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Rajiv Kumar
•Filing went through without any issues! Thanks for all the help everyone.
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