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Caesar Grant

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Make sure you're not running into a debtor name issue disguised as a collateral description problem. I've seen SOS offices give generic rejection reasons when the real issue is the debtor name not matching their business records exactly. Double-check that your debtor name on the UCC-1 matches exactly what's on file with the Secretary of State for the farming operation.

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Caesar Grant

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Definitely worth checking. Sometimes the LLC registration might be "Johnson Family Farms, LLC" with a comma, or "Johnson Family Farm" without the 's'. Even small differences can cause rejections that get blamed on collateral descriptions.

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Lena Schultz

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This is where I'd use Certana.ai again - you can upload the UCC-1 and it checks debtor name consistency against business registrations. Saves you from guessing what variation might be causing the rejection.

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Gemma Andrews

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Farm products filings are definitely more art than science. I've had success with really comprehensive descriptions like "All farm products of every kind and description, whether now existing or hereafter acquired, including without limitation: (a) crops, whether planted, growing, or harvested; (b) livestock of every kind; (c) supplies used or produced in farming operations; (d) products of crops or livestock; and (e) all proceeds, whether cash or non-cash, from the sale, lease, license, exchange or other disposition of any of the foregoing." It's verbose but it works.

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Rita Jacobs

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This is really helpful. Going to try a comprehensive description like this for our next filing attempt. Really appreciate everyone's input - this has been way more complex than our lender made it sound.

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Pedro Sawyer

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Yeah agricultural lending has all these nuances that don't apply to regular commercial loans. Good luck with the refiling!

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Anita George

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Been doing Nevada UCCs for 15 years and the comma issue never gets old. The state system is very literal about name matching. Use their exact format and you'll be fine.

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Any other Nevada-specific quirks I should watch out for on this filing?

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Anita George

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Make sure your collateral description is specific enough. Nevada likes detail on equipment descriptions - make, model, VIN numbers if you have them.

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Logan Chiang

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Update: Filed with the exact name from nevada business name search and it was accepted within 24 hours. Thanks everyone for the advice about using the state database version rather than the loan docs!

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24 hours?? That's actually pretty fast for Nevada. Usually takes them 2-3 business days.

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Logan Chiang

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I was surprised too. Maybe they're getting faster with their processing.

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AstroAce

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The SOS systems are so picky about form of ucc submissions. I had three rejections last year before I figured out their specific formatting requirements. Now I always call their help line before filing anything complex.

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AstroAce

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They can't give legal advice but they'll usually clarify their technical requirements for the form of ucc submissions. Worth a try!

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Chloe Martin

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Some SOS offices are more helpful than others. Mine has a pre-filing review service that's been really helpful for complex collateral situations.

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Diego Rojas

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Update us when you get it sorted out! I'm dealing with similar equipment financing and want to make sure I use the right form of ucc approach from the start.

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Diego Rojas

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Perfect. The form of ucc process is confusing enough without having to deal with rejections and refiling delays.

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Yeah, getting the initial form of ucc filing right saves so much time and stress later on.

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Liam O'Connor

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Real quick example from this morning: Filed UCC-1 for ABC Widgets LLC (debtor), First Bank Equipment Finance (secured party), collateral was 'all machinery and equipment used in debtor's widget manufacturing operations.' Simple and specific. Filed online in Ohio, cost $30, took 10 minutes once I had all the info ready.

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Sean O'Brien

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That's exactly the kind of concrete example I needed! Thank you!

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Liam O'Connor

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No problem. The key is having your loan documentation organized before you start the filing process.

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Amara Adeyemi

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One more thing nobody mentioned - search the UCC records BEFORE you file to see what else might be out there. You want to know if other lenders have prior liens on the same collateral. Most SOS websites have search functions for this.

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Amara Adeyemi

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I usually go back 6-7 years to catch any filings that might still be active. Remember UCC-1s last 5 years but could have been continued.

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And don't forget to search under previous business names if the company has changed names recently.

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Amina Sy

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Just went through something similar with a $600k equipment purchase. Seller's bank was dragging their feet on the UCC-3 terminations because they needed internal approvals. We ended up extending the closing date twice before everything got sorted out. Frustrating but definitely better than closing with active liens.

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Amina Sy

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About a week from when they filed the UCC-3s to when everything showed up as terminated in all the state databases. The actual filing was quick, but waiting for the database updates took time.

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That's pretty typical. Most states update their UCC databases within 24-48 hours, but some take longer especially if there are any data entry issues with the filing.

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Why not make the UCC terminations a condition precedent to closing? Put it right in the purchase agreement that seller must provide evidence of all UCC-3 terminations being filed and effective before the closing can occur. That way it's legally binding and not just a gentlemen's agreement.

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Same day filing and database updates are risky. What if there's an error in the UCC-3 and it gets rejected? Then you're stuck having already closed with liens still active.

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Exactly. UCC filings can get rejected for all sorts of reasons - wrong debtor name format, incorrect filing fees, missing information. Better to file early and fix any problems before closing.

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