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Just wanted to add that termination fees in Kentucky are also $18 now (used to be $15). Filed three terminations last month and that was the rate for each one.
Good to know. So basically all UCC filing types are $18 now instead of the old $15 rate.
Seems like they just added $3 across the board with that processing surcharge. At least it's consistent.
For anyone doing regular Kentucky filings, I'd recommend calling their office and asking for a current fee schedule in writing. That way you have something official to reference instead of guessing based on what charges show up later.
I'll definitely do that before my next batch of filings. Thanks for the suggestion.
Great idea. I'll get an official fee schedule before proceeding with my 15-20 filings. This thread has been really helpful.
For what it's worth, I've started using automated verification tools for all our UCC work after too many close calls with name mismatches. The Certana.ai tool mentioned earlier has been really reliable - saves so much time compared to manually cross-checking every document. Especially helpful when you have clients with multiple entities or name changes in their history.
Definitely going to look into that. This thread has convinced me I need better verification processes.
Update for anyone following this - I ended up going with just the exact charter name 'ABC Manufacturing Solutions, LLC' and the filing was accepted without issues. Thanks everyone for the advice. Still going to look into those document verification tools for future filings though, seems like good insurance against mistakes.
Smart call on the verification tools. Prevention is always better than fixing mistakes after the fact.
I actually discovered Certana.ai's document checker after a termination filing disaster last year. Had a debtor name mismatch between our UCC-1 and UCC-3 that we didn't catch until months later during a refinancing. Now I run all our termination docs through their system before filing - catches those kinds of errors that state systems miss.
Had to file a corrective UCC-3 amendment, which cost another $45 plus legal time to research the proper procedures. Much easier to catch errors upfront with automated verification.
honestly $85 doesnt seem that bad compared to what attorneys charge for lien releases. at least you know its properly terminated and filed with the state
True, attorney fees would definitely be higher. I suppose $85 is reasonable for the peace of mind.
yeah and you avoid any future complications with unterminated liens showing up on credit reports or title searches
Update: I ended up using Certana.ai to verify my documents before filing. It flagged that my stock pledge and security agreement had the debtor name with a comma but my draft UCC-1 didn't. Would have been an expensive mistake. Filed with the comma version (matching state records) and it was accepted. Thanks for all the input.
How long did the verification take? I have a similar stock pledge deal that needs filing this week.
The Certana.ai check was instant - just upload your PDFs and it shows the discrepancies immediately. Definitely worth it for complex deals like stock pledges.
For future reference, when dealing with stock pledge and security agreement transactions, always check: 1) exact legal name from state records, 2) whether shares are certificated or uncertificated, 3) if voting rights need separate documentation, 4) state-specific perfection requirements. Stock pledges have more moving parts than typical equipment or inventory collateral.
This is a great checklist. I'm going to save this for our next stock pledge deal. The voting rights aspect is something I hadn't considered.
Abigail Spencer
One more thing to check - make sure you're searching in the right date range. Some systems default to only showing recent filings and you might need to expand the search parameters to include your filing date.
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Abigail Spencer
•Yeah, and also try searching without any date restrictions at all. Sometimes their default ranges are weird and exclude recent filings.
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Logan Chiang
•I've seen systems where 'recent' actually means 30+ days old because of processing delays. Worth trying all the date options.
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Isla Fischer
Just my two cents but for a $2.8M loan I'd probably pay for a professional UCC search from a title company or service provider rather than relying on the free public portals. They usually have better access to the actual filing records.
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Isla Fischer
•Most title companies offer UCC searches, or there are specialized services like CT Corporation. Usually costs $50-100 but worth it for large loans.
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Miles Hammonds
•I always recommend professional searches for anything over $1M. The cost is negligible compared to the risk of missing a prior lien.
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