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Emily Jackson

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Just to pile on here - definitely no UCC 11 California form. Your lender probably has internal form numbers that don't match state forms. Focus on the UCC-3 continuation and get that debtor name corrected first. California SOS doesn't play games with name mismatches.

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AstroAce

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Thanks everyone. I feel much more confident about what I need to do now. Going to tackle the name amendment first, then the continuation.

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Liam Mendez

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Good plan. And definitely double-check everything before submitting. One wrong character can cause a rejection.

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Sophia Nguyen

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Late to this thread but wanted to add - I've seen the 'UCC 11' confusion before. Banks sometimes use their own internal numbering that doesn't match state forms. Always go directly to the Secretary of State website for the correct forms. California uses standard UCC-1, UCC-3, etc.

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AstroAce

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Lesson learned. Always verify form numbers with the actual filing office.

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And if you're not 100% sure about document consistency, tools like Certana.ai can help verify everything matches before you file. Worth checking out for peace of mind.

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Khalid Howes

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One thing that's helped me is creating a spreadsheet with all possible name variations before I start searching. Include legal name, DBAs, common abbreviations, with and without punctuation, etc. Then systematically work through each one.

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Naila Gordon

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Organization definitely helps. These searches can get overwhelming without a clear methodology.

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Cynthia Love

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I do something similar but also include phonetic variations. You'd be surprised how many filing errors are basically just misspellings.

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Darren Brooks

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Thanks everyone for the advice. Going to try a more systematic approach and check multiple states. Hopefully I can avoid any nasty surprises down the road.

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Rosie Harper

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Good luck! Thorough searches take time but they're worth it.

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Let us know how it goes. Always interested to hear about search strategies that work.

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Ava Thompson

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Update us on how the refile goes! Always curious to see if the exact charter match works in these situations.

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Will do. Planning to refile tomorrow morning with the exact charter spelling including comma.

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CyberSiren

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Good luck! Timeline pressure makes these rejections so much more stressful.

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Just to add another data point - I had a PA UCC-3 amendment rejected last month for the same type of punctuation issue. Their system definitely got stricter about exact matches. But once you get the name right, everything else usually processes smoothly.

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Zainab Yusuf

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PA is actually pretty fast once they accept the filing. Usually same day processing.

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Exactly, it's just that initial hurdle of getting the debtor name formatting perfect.

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Romeo Quest

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The key thing about deposit account priority is that the bank where the account is held almost always wins if they have a security interest, regardless of filing dates. UCC 9-327(1) is pretty clear about that. Your equipment collateral is separate though - you should have clear priority there if you filed first.

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Val Rossi

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So basically they get the deposit accounts and the equipment lender gets the equipment? Seems fair if both parties perfected properly.

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Romeo Quest

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That's usually how it works out, unless there's some unusual language in the security agreements or subordination deals.

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Eve Freeman

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Just to close the loop on this - make sure you're not overthinking the 9-332 angle. That section is really narrow and probably doesn't apply to your situation. Focus on getting clear documentation of what each party perfected and when, then negotiate from there. Most of these disputes settle once everyone understands their actual position.

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Adaline Wong

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Thanks everyone. Sounds like I need to gather all the documents first and then figure out the priority rules. Appreciate all the help.

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Good luck with it. These situations are always stressful but usually work out reasonably if both sides are professional about it.

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Yuki Tanaka

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Don't forget about terminated filings in your UCC-1 list! You need to track those too for audit purposes. Some examiners want to see that you properly terminated liens when loans were paid off. I keep a separate 'terminated' section in my spreadsheet.

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Good point. We probably have 50+ terminated UCCs I should account for.

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Carmen Ortiz

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Make sure you filed UCC-3 termination statements for those. Just paying off the loan doesn't automatically terminate the UCC filing.

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MidnightRider

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Quick question - are you tracking UCC-3 amendments in your list too? If you've done any amendments to add collateral or change debtor info, those need to be reflected in your master list. The continuation calculations are still based on the original UCC-1 date though.

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MidnightRider

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Yeah, amendments can get messy. Each one should reference the original filing number so you can track the chain of filings for each loan.

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Andre Laurent

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This is exactly why I started using automated tools. Too many moving parts to track manually without making mistakes.

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