What does reduction force mean for unemployment in Washington ESD claims?
I got laid off from my warehouse job two weeks ago and when I filed for unemployment, they asked me about 'reduction in force' on the application. I said yes because that's what my supervisor told me when they let me go, but now I'm worried I answered wrong. My claim is showing pending and I can't tell if it's because of that answer or something else. Does anyone know what reduction force actually means for Washington ESD purposes? I don't want to mess up my benefits over a misunderstood question.
42 comments


Charity Cohan
Reduction in force (RIF) is basically a fancy term for layoffs due to business reasons like budget cuts, restructuring, or eliminating positions. It's actually a GOOD thing for your unemployment claim because it shows you weren't fired for misconduct. Washington ESD sees RIF as involuntary separation, which makes you eligible for benefits. Your claim might be pending for other reasons - could be wage verification or just processing time.
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Jean Claude
•Oh thank god, I was panicking thinking I messed something up. They did eliminate my whole department so that sounds right.
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Josef Tearle
•Yeah RIF is definitely better than being fired for cause. You should be fine on that front.
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Shelby Bauman
I work in HR and can confirm - reduction in force specifically means the employer eliminated positions for economic or operational reasons, not because of employee performance. This is different from being terminated for misconduct. You answered correctly if your employer told you it was RIF. The pending status is probably just normal processing time, especially if you just filed two weeks ago.
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Jean Claude
•That makes me feel so much better. I've never dealt with unemployment before so everything seems scary.
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Quinn Herbert
•Two weeks isn't that long for processing, I waited almost a month for my claim to get approved last year.
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Salim Nasir
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Hazel Garcia
•Never heard of that but honestly anything is better than trying to call Washington ESD directly. Those phone lines are impossible.
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Jean Claude
•I'll look into that if my claim doesn't move soon. Thanks for the tip!
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Laila Fury
RIF just means they cut jobs, not that you did anything wrong. But just so you know, even with RIF you still have to do your weekly claims and job search activities once your claim is approved. Don't skip those or they'll stop your benefits.
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Jean Claude
•Good to know, I wasn't sure when those requirements started. I've been looking for work anyway but I'll make sure to log everything properly.
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Geoff Richards
I got laid off in a RIF situation last summer and my claim went through fine. Washington ESD actually processed it faster than my friend who got fired for attendance issues - his claim took forever because they had to investigate. You should be good since RIF is straightforward involuntary separation.
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Jean Claude
•That's reassuring to hear. How long did yours take to get approved?
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Geoff Richards
•About 3 weeks total, but this was during summer when they probably had fewer claims to process.
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Simon White
Just make sure you have your layoff paperwork ready in case Washington ESD asks for it. Sometimes they want documentation proving it was actually RIF and not a firing. Most companies will give you something in writing about the layoff.
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Jean Claude
•I do have a letter from HR explaining the department closure. Should I upload that somewhere or just wait?
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Charity Cohan
•Keep it handy but don't upload unless they specifically request it. Washington ESD will ask for what they need.
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Hugo Kass
The Washington ESD system is so confusing with all these different terms. I never know if I'm answering things right either. At least RIF sounds like it's in your favor compared to being fired.
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Jean Claude
•Yeah the whole application was confusing. I second-guessed every answer.
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Nasira Ibanez
•Same here, I was paranoid I was going to accidentally disqualify myself by checking the wrong box.
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Khalil Urso
Reduction in force is basically the corporate way of saying 'we don't need this many people anymore.' It's not personal and Washington ESD knows that. Your benefits should be fine as long as everything else checks out with your work history and wages.
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Jean Claude
•That makes sense. I worked there for 3 years so my work history should be solid.
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Myles Regis
Been through this before - RIF is actually one of the easiest reasons to get approved for unemployment. No misconduct issues, no performance problems, just business decisions. Your claim being pending is probably just the normal waiting period while they verify your wages with your employer.
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Jean Claude
•How long does wage verification usually take?
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Myles Regis
•In my experience, 2-4 weeks depending on how quickly your employer responds to Washington ESD's requests.
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Brian Downey
Whatever you do, don't panic about the pending status. I've seen people call constantly and actually slow down their own claims because they tie up the phone lines Washington ESD uses to contact employers. Just be patient and keep filing your weekly claims.
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Jean Claude
•Good advice. I was definitely thinking about calling every day to check on it.
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Jacinda Yu
•Yeah I made that mistake with my first claim. Drove myself crazy calling all the time.
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Landon Flounder
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Callum Savage
•How much does something like that cost? Seems like it would be expensive.
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Landon Flounder
•It's really reasonable for what you get. Way cheaper than taking time off work to sit on hold all day.
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Ally Tailer
RIF = good for unemployment claims. Misconduct = bad for unemployment claims. You picked the right category. Now just wait it out and don't stress too much about the pending status unless it goes over a month.
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Jean Claude
•Simple way to think about it, thanks. I'll try to be patient.
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Aliyah Debovski
Make sure you're doing your job search activities even while your claim is pending. Washington ESD can ask for your job search log retroactively, so you want to have those records ready from day one of your claim.
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Jean Claude
•I've been applying to jobs but not really tracking it formally. What kind of records do they want?
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Aliyah Debovski
•Date, company name, position, how you applied (online, in person, etc.). Keep it in a spreadsheet or use their WorkSourceWA system.
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Miranda Singer
•WorkSourceWA is such a pain to use but yeah you need to track everything properly.
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Cass Green
I was in a similar situation - whole department got eliminated due to company restructuring. Answered RIF on my application and got approved without any issues. The key is that it wasn't your fault you lost the job, which is exactly what unemployment insurance is for.
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Jean Claude
•That's exactly my situation too. Feeling much more confident now that everyone is saying the same thing.
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Finley Garrett
Just went through this myself and used Claimyr to get through to Washington ESD when my claim was taking forever. Totally worth it instead of wasting days trying to call. The agents were able to explain exactly what was holding up my claim and when to expect resolution.
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Jean Claude
•Good to know that's an option if I need it. Hopefully my claim moves along normally though.
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Madison Tipne
•Even if your claim is normal, sometimes it's nice to get confirmation from an actual person instead of just wondering.
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