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Washington ESD keeps asking about 'separation' on my claim - what does this mean?

I'm filling out my Washington ESD unemployment application and there's a whole section about 'separation from employment' that's confusing me. They want details about how I left my last job and keep using the word 'separation' everywhere. I was laid off due to company downsizing but I'm not sure if that counts as voluntary or involuntary separation. There are also questions about whether I quit, was fired, or had a reduction in hours. Can someone explain what Washington ESD means by separation and how I should answer these questions? I don't want to mess up my claim by picking the wrong option.

Separation just means how your employment ended - it's Washington ESD's way of asking why you're no longer working. Since you were laid off due to downsizing, that's definitely involuntary separation. You didn't choose to leave, the company made the decision for you.

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Thanks! That makes sense. Should I select 'laid off' or 'discharged' on the form?

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Laid off is the right choice. Discharged usually means fired for cause, which isn't your situation.

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The separation reason is super important because it determines if you qualify for benefits. Washington ESD needs to know you didn't quit without good cause or get fired for misconduct.

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What happens if they think I quit voluntarily even though I was laid off?

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Your claim would probably get denied. That's why it's crucial to be accurate about the separation details.

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I had a nightmare with this separation stuff when I filed my claim. Washington ESD kept sending me forms asking for more details about why I left my job. If you have any paperwork from your employer about the layoff, upload that as supporting documentation.

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I do have a layoff notice! Should I scan that and upload it?

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Yes absolutely. Any official documentation helps verify your separation reason.

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This is exactly what I needed to hear. I've been calling Washington ESD for weeks trying to get someone to explain the separation questions but their phone lines are always busy. Getting through is impossible.

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How much does something like that cost? Seems too good to be true.

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It's way cheaper than missing out on benefits because you can't reach anyone at Washington ESD. The value is definitely there when you need to talk to an actual person.

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I'm desperate enough to try anything at this point. These separation questions are holding up my whole claim.

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separation can also include things like reduced hours or temporary layoffs. if your hours got cut before the layoff that might affect how you answer the questions.

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My hours weren't reduced, just got laid off completely when they shut down our department.

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then you're good with just marking involuntary separation due to layoff

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The key categories Washington ESD looks at for separation are: laid off/lack of work, fired for misconduct, quit voluntarily, quit with good cause, or reduction in hours. Each one has different eligibility rules for unemployment benefits.

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What counts as 'good cause' for quitting? I've been thinking about leaving my current job but don't want to lose unemployment eligibility if it doesn't work out.

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Good cause includes things like unsafe working conditions, harassment, significant changes to job duties, or personal reasons like domestic violence. But it's very specific and you need documentation.

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Be really careful about quitting voluntarily. Washington ESD is strict about that and you could be disqualified from benefits.

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Washington ESD will probably contact your former employer to verify the separation details you provide. Make sure everything matches what your employer will tell them.

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Will my employer get in trouble if there's a discrepancy?

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Not necessarily trouble, but Washington ESD might investigate further if the stories don't match. It could delay your claim processing.

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I'm dealing with a separation issue too where Washington ESD thinks I quit but I was actually constructively discharged. My supervisor made work conditions so hostile I had no choice but to leave. Anyone know how to prove constructive discharge?

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You'll need documentation of the hostile conditions - emails, witness statements, HR complaints, anything showing you tried to resolve the issues before leaving.

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I have some emails but didn't file an HR complaint. Will that hurt my case?

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It might, but the emails could still help establish a pattern. You should probably talk to someone at Washington ESD about your specific situation.

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The separation date is important too. Washington ESD calculates your benefit year and base period based on when your employment actually ended, not when you filed your claim.

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My last day of work was different from when I got the official layoff notice. Which date should I use?

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Use your actual last day of work. That's when the employment relationship ended for Washington ESD purposes.

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SEPARATION IS JUST GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRACY TALK FOR 'WHY AREN'T YOU WORKING ANYMORE?' Don't overthink it - if you got laid off, click laid off. If you got fired, click fired. Washington ESD makes everything sound more complicated than it needs to be.

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Well the distinction matters because it affects whether you get benefits or not...

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Of course it matters but the terminology is needlessly confusing. They could just ask 'how did your job end' instead of using fancy words like separation.

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Make sure you're honest about the separation reason. Washington ESD has ways of verifying information and lying on your application is fraud. Not worth the risk.

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What happens if you accidentally give wrong information? Like if you misunderstood the question?

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Honest mistakes can usually be corrected, but you need to contact Washington ESD as soon as you realize the error. Don't wait.

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I used Claimyr last month when I had separation issues and they got me through to an agent who walked me through exactly how to answer those questions. Really saved me a lot of stress and my claim got approved without any problems.

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Did the agent explain other parts of the application too or just the separation questions?

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They helped with the whole claim review. The separation part was just one issue but the agent went through everything to make sure it was all correct.

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if you were laid off thats involuntary separation and you should qualify for benefits as long as you meet the other requirements like having enough wages in your base period

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How do I know if I have enough wages in my base period?

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washington esd will tell you after you submit your application. they look at your earnings from the first 4 of the last 5 completed quarters

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The separation reason also affects waiting periods. Some types of separation might have a waiting period before benefits start, but layoffs usually don't have additional penalties.

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I thought there was always a one week waiting period for everyone?

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The standard waiting week was eliminated in Washington a few years ago. But misconduct disqualifications can create longer waiting periods.

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Just went through this whole separation thing with Washington ESD. They asked for dates, reason, whether I could have kept working, if I gave notice, etc. Be prepared for follow-up questions beyond just the basic separation type.

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What kind of follow-up questions did they ask you?

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They wanted to know if the layoff was permanent or temporary, if there was any possibility of recall, and details about the business closure. More thorough than I expected.

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My friend had issues with her separation classification and used some service to get through to Washington ESD faster. I think it was called Claimyr or something like that. She said it was worth it to avoid the phone runaround.

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Yeah I've heard of that. Supposed to help you actually reach someone at Washington ESD instead of getting busy signals all day.

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Anything's better than hitting redial for 6 hours straight trying to get through to unemployment.

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The separation questions on the Washington ESD application are designed to determine benefit eligibility. Answer them carefully and provide any supporting documentation you have. If you're unsure about anything, it's better to explain in the comments section than guess.

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There is a comments section? I didn't see that on the online form.

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It might be called 'additional information' or something similar. There's usually a text box where you can provide clarifying details.

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separation terminology shows up in other places too like if you have to do a fact finding interview or appeal a disqualification. good to understand what it means early in the process

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Hopefully OP won't need to deal with appeals if they answer the separation questions correctly from the start.

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Thanks everyone! This really helped me understand what Washington ESD is asking for. I feel much more confident filling out the application now.

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Good luck with your claim! Layoffs are usually straightforward for Washington ESD to process compared to other separation types. You should be approved as long as everything else checks out.

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I hope so! Really need these benefits while I'm job searching.

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Don't forget about the job search requirements once your claim is approved. Washington ESD has specific rules about that too.

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Just to add another perspective - I work in HR and deal with unemployment claims regularly. When Washington ESD contacts employers about separation, they're specifically looking to verify the circumstances you reported. Since you mentioned having a layoff notice, definitely upload that documentation. It makes the verification process much smoother and faster. Also, be aware that if your company is doing multiple layoffs, Washington ESD might already be familiar with your employer's situation, which can actually help speed up your claim processing.

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That's really helpful insight from the employer side! I didn't realize Washington ESD might already be familiar with my company's layoffs. We had about 200 people let go when they closed our whole division, so hopefully that makes the process smoother. I'll definitely upload that layoff notice - it has all the official details about the closure and lists me specifically as affected by the reduction in force.

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