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Washington ESD unemployment benefits - can u get unemployment if fired?

so i got fired from my job last week and wondering if i can still get unemployment benefits through washington esd?? my manager said it was for performance issues but honestly i think they just didnt like me. does washington esd approve claims when you get fired or do they automatically deny them? really need to know what my chances are before i waste time filing

Yes, you can potentially get unemployment benefits even if you were fired, but it depends on the reason. Washington ESD will investigate whether the termination was for 'misconduct' or just poor performance. Performance issues alone usually don't disqualify you, but if they determine it was willful misconduct, your claim could be denied.

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thats good to hear. they never gave me any written warnings or anything so hopefully thats in my favor

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Make sure you file your claim right away. Even if there's an issue, you want to establish your claim date as early as possible.

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The key distinction Washington ESD makes is between being fired for misconduct versus being fired for inability to do the job. If you were let go due to lack of skills, poor performance, or not being a good fit (but not due to intentional wrongdoing), you should still qualify for benefits. However, if you were terminated for things like theft, insubordination, or violating company policy, that's considered misconduct and would disqualify you.

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they said performance but never really explained what i was doing wrong. just said i wasnt meeting expectations

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That sounds like it would qualify then. Vague performance reasons are usually not considered misconduct by Washington ESD.

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I went through this exact situation last year! Got fired for 'performance issues' and was terrified I wouldn't qualify. Filed my claim anyway and it got approved after about 2 weeks of adjudication. The trick is being honest about what happened but also explaining your side of the story when they contact you.

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did they contact your old employer too? im worried about what my manager might tell them

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Yeah, they contact both parties. But they're looking for facts, not opinions. As long as you weren't doing anything intentionally wrong, you should be fine.

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Just be prepared for the adjudication process if they need to investigate. When I got fired (similar situation - they said performance but it was really personality conflicts), my claim went into adjudication for about 3 weeks. I had such a hard time getting through to Washington ESD to check on the status. I finally used this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that actually got me connected to a real person at Washington ESD. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows how it works. Really helped me get answers about my adjudication.

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never heard of that but sounds useful. how much does it cost?

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It's worth checking out their site for details. The main thing is it actually works - I was able to talk to someone at Washington ESD within a few tries instead of calling hundreds of times myself.

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I've heard good things about Claimyr too. When you're dealing with adjudication, sometimes you really need to talk to a human to understand what's happening.

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Here's what you need to know about the process: File your claim immediately, answer all questions honestly, and be prepared to provide documentation if requested. Washington ESD will send a fact-finding questionnaire to both you and your employer. They'll ask about the circumstances of your termination, your work history, and any disciplinary actions. The decision usually takes 1-3 weeks.

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what kind of documentation might they want?

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Things like your employee handbook, any performance reviews, written warnings, emails about your performance - basically anything that shows the circumstances of your firing.

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ugh the unemployment system is so confusing!!! i got fired too but for attendance issues and they approved my claim. meanwhile my friend got denied for something way less serious. makes no sense

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Attendance issues can be tricky - it depends if Washington ESD considers it misconduct or if there were legitimate reasons for the absences.

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yeah i had some medical stuff going on so maybe thats why they approved it

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The good news is that the burden of proof is on your employer to show that you committed misconduct. If they can't provide specific examples of policy violations or intentional wrongdoing, Washington ESD will likely approve your claim. Performance-related terminations are generally not considered disqualifying misconduct.

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that makes me feel better. they never showed me any policies i supposedly violated

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definitely file asap! even if ur claim gets denied initially u can appeal. i know someone who got denied first but won on appeal because the employer couldnt prove misconduct

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how long do appeals take?

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Appeals can take several weeks to months depending on the backlog, but you should continue filing weekly claims during the appeal process.

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I work in HR and see this situation a lot. Unless there was gross misconduct (like theft, violence, etc.), most performance-related terminations don't disqualify you from unemployment benefits. Washington ESD looks at whether the employee's actions were deliberate and against the employer's interests. Poor performance alone usually doesn't meet that standard.

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thanks thats really helpful to know from someone who deals with this stuff

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That's a great perspective. It's always good to hear from someone who sees both sides of these situations.

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File your claim TODAY! seriously dont wait. worst case they deny it and u appeal. best case u get approved and start getting benefits. theres literally no downside to filing

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ya ur right, gonna do it tonight

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One more thing to keep in mind - even if your initial claim is approved, your former employer can still protest the decision if they disagree. This could trigger another round of review, but don't let that discourage you from filing. The majority of performance-related termination cases result in approved benefits.

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do most employers actually bother to protest? seems like a lot of work for them

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Some do, especially larger companies, because it can affect their unemployment tax rates. But many smaller employers don't have the resources to fight every claim.

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been on unemployment twice after getting fired and both times got approved. key is being honest about what happened and not trying to hide anything. washington esd investigators can usually tell when someone is lying

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good to know, definitely gonna be completely honest

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Quick update on that Claimyr service I mentioned earlier - I actually used it again last month when I had questions about my job search requirements. Super helpful for getting through to Washington ESD when you actually need to talk to someone. Way better than sitting on hold for hours or having calls drop.

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I might need to try that. I've been trying to reach Washington ESD for days about my adjudication status.

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Yeah, that's exactly the situation where Claimyr helps. When you're stuck in adjudication and need actual answers about your case.

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my brother got fired for performance and it took like 4 weeks to get approved because of adjudication but he eventually got all his back pay. just gotta be patient with the process

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4 weeks seems like forever when u have bills to pay but good to know he got the back pay

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Remember that while your claim is being processed, you still need to file your weekly claims and meet the job search requirements. Even if you're in adjudication, keep doing everything you're supposed to do as if your claim is approved.

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what are the job search requirements? do i need to apply to a certain number of jobs each week?

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Yes, you need to make at least 3 job search contacts per week and keep records. You can do this through WorkSourceWA or on your own, but you need to log all your activities.

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WASHINGTON ESD IS THE WORST!! took them 6 weeks to process my claim when i got fired even though it was obvious i should qualify. their phone system is broken and impossible to get through to anyone

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ugh thats exactly what im worried about. did u eventually get approved?

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yeah finally but it was a nightmare. definitely try that claimyr thing someone mentioned if u need to actually talk to them

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For anyone reading this thread later, here's the bottom line: Being fired does NOT automatically disqualify you from unemployment benefits in Washington. The key factors Washington ESD considers are: 1) Was the termination for misconduct? 2) Was the misconduct willful and substantial? 3) Did you violate a known company policy? If the answers are no, you should qualify for benefits regardless of being fired.

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this is super helpful, thanks for breaking it down so clearly

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Exactly. I wish more people knew this. Too many people don't even file because they think getting fired automatically disqualifies them.

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just wanted to add that even if ur employer contests ur claim, dont panic. they have to provide specific evidence of misconduct. if they cant prove u did something intentionally wrong, washington esd will side with u

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thats reassuring. im gonna file my claim tonight

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Good luck with your claim! Based on what you've described, it sounds like you have a good chance of getting approved. Just be patient with the process and don't hesitate to follow up if you don't hear anything for several weeks.

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thanks everyone for all the help and advice. feeling much more confident about filing now

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One last tip - when you file your claim, make sure to mention if you never received any written warnings or progressive discipline. That strengthens your case that it wasn't misconduct but just a performance issue or personality conflict.

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definitely will mention that. they never gave me any warnings at all

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That's actually a strong point in your favor. Employers who fire for true misconduct usually have documentation of progressive discipline.

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