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Amara Okafor

Washington ESD denied with relief - what does this mean for my unemployment claim?

Got a determination letter from Washington ESD today saying my claim was 'denied with relief' and I have no idea what this means. I filed my initial claim back in November after getting laid off from my warehouse job in Tacoma. The letter mentions something about a previous employer dispute but doesn't explain what 'with relief' actually means for my benefits. Has anyone seen this status before? I'm really confused and worried about whether I can still collect unemployment or if I need to appeal this decision.

A 'denied with relief' determination usually means Washington ESD initially denied your claim due to an employer protest, but then found you qualify for benefits anyway under different circumstances. It's actually good news - you should be eligible for payments. Check your account to see if benefits are being released.

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That's a relief! I was panicking thinking I wouldn't get anything. My account still shows pending though - should I call them?

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Yes, definitely call to confirm when payments will start. Sometimes there's a processing delay even after a favorable determination.

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I had something similar happen last year. My former employer tried to claim I was fired for misconduct but Washington ESD investigated and found I was actually laid off due to lack of work. The 'with relief' part means they're overturning the initial denial and granting you benefits retroactively.

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Did you get backpay for the weeks you were denied? I've been waiting almost 6 weeks now.

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Yes, I got all my back payments once the determination was finalized. It took about 2 weeks after the letter for everything to process.

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That's encouraging. I'm dealing with a similar employer dispute right now and haven't heard anything in over a month.

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There is a fee but honestly it was worth it to finally get my claim sorted out. Much better than losing weeks of benefits.

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This is actually a good thing! 'Denied with relief' means your initial claim was denied but you have the right to appeal or there's some form of relief available. It usually happens when there's a technical issue with your filing but you still qualify for benefits.

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Oh thank goodness! I was panicking thinking I wouldn't get anything. Do I need to do anything specific to get the relief part?

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Check your account for any pending actions or appeals you need to file. Sometimes it's automatic but you might need to respond to something.

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DENIED WITH RELIEF means you won!! Your employer probably tried to protest your claim saying you quit or were fired for cause, but Washington ESD did their investigation and determined you're eligible for unemployment benefits. This is actually one of the better outcomes you can get.

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Thank you! I was so worried when I saw 'denied' in the letter. Why don't they just say 'approved' instead?

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Government bureaucracy at its finest. They deny the initial protest but grant you relief (benefits). It's confusing wording but the important thing is you qualified.

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This happened to my sister too. She thought she was denied but actually got approved for all her back benefits. Washington ESD really needs to work on their communication.

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How long did the whole process take from when you first filed? I'm in adjudication hell right now and my employer is fighting my claim too. Been waiting 8 weeks with no income.

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It was about 6 weeks total from filing to getting this determination. The waiting is the worst part especially when bills are piling up.

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At least you got a decision. I'm still in 'pending adjudication' status with no end in sight.

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Hang in there. Once they make a determination, if it's in your favor you'll get all your back pay. The waiting sucks but it's worth it in the end.

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What was your former employer claiming? I'm curious because I might be dealing with something similar soon. My boss has been making threats about fighting my unemployment if I get laid off.

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They claimed I was terminated for attendance issues but it was actually a reduction in force. I had documentation showing other people were laid off too which helped my case.

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Good that you had documentation. I'm making sure to keep records of everything just in case.

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Congrats on the good news! Make sure you keep filing your weekly claims even if payments haven't started yet. You don't want to lose any weeks while this gets processed.

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Yes I've been filing every week even though I wasn't getting paid. Good thing because now I should get backpay for all those weeks.

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Exactly! So many people stop filing when they're in adjudication and then lose out on benefits they were entitled to.

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washington esd determinations are so confusing... why cant they just say APPROVED in big letters instead of all this legal jargon nobody understands

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I know right? Half the stress comes from trying to decode what they're actually saying in these letters.

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seriously, we're already stressed about being unemployed and then they send us letters that sound like they're written by lawyers

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I had the same status last year and it was because I had some issue with my work history verification. The 'relief' meant they were going to review it again once I provided more documentation. Check if you have any outstanding requests for information.

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I'll log in again and check for any documents they need. Thanks for the heads up!

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Same here, mine was about proving I was actually laid off and not fired for cause. Once I sent in the termination letter it got approved.

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I work in HR and see these determinations fairly often. 'Denied with relief' typically means the initial protest was denied (which is good for you) and you're granted relief in the form of unemployment benefits. Your employer's challenge was unsuccessful.

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That makes sense. Do you know if employers get penalized for filing false protests against unemployment claims?

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Not really penalized per se, but if they have a pattern of unsuccessful protests it can affect their unemployment tax rates. Most legitimate employers only protest when they have valid grounds.

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Some employers just protest everything hoping to save money on their unemployment taxes. It's frustrating for people who legitimately qualify for benefits.

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This looks interesting! I've been trying to call for days with no luck. How much does it cost?

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They focus on getting you connected rather than the cost. I just needed to talk to someone about my claim status and it saved me so much time and frustration.

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I'm always skeptical of these third-party services but honestly the Washington ESD phone system is impossible to navigate.

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Been through this exact situation. The key thing is that 'with relief' means you get benefits. I'd recommend calling Washington ESD to confirm when payments will start and if you need to do anything else. When I couldn't get through on the phone, I used Claimyr and they connected me with an agent who explained everything clearly.

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I keep hearing about Claimyr in these threads. Is it really that much better than trying to call directly?

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For me it was a game changer. I spent days trying to get through and Claimyr got me connected in about an hour. Worth every penny when you're dealing with benefit delays.

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The Washington ESD system is so confusing with all these different statuses. I've been dealing with adjudication for weeks and still don't understand half of what they're telling me. At least your status sounds more promising than mine!

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What's your status showing? Maybe we can figure it out together.

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Mine just says 'pending adjudication' with no other details. Been like that for 3 weeks now.

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Adjudication means they're investigating something about your claim. Could be work separation, availability, or eligibility issues.

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denied with relief usually means there's an automatic appeal process happening or they're reviewing additional information. Don't panic - it's not a final denial.

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That's what I'm hoping! I'll keep checking my account for updates.

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I work in HR and see this status sometimes when employees file claims. It often happens when there's a discrepancy between what the employer reported and what the claimant filed. The relief part means they'll sort it out once they get the right information.

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That makes sense! My former employer was pretty disorganized so they might have reported something wrong.

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Employers mess up the reporting all the time. I had to correct my separation reason because they said I quit when I was actually laid off.

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Check your monetary determination too. Sometimes the denial is about the benefit amount calculation but the relief means you'll still get benefits once they recalculate.

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I did notice my benefit amount looked lower than I expected. Maybe that's related?

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Exactly! If they used the wrong wage information initially, they'll fix it and backpay you for any difference.

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Make sure you check your payment history in your Washington ESD account. Sometimes the benefits get released before they send the determination letter. I got three weeks of back pay deposited before I even knew I was approved.

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Just checked and still showing $0 paid. Hopefully it updates soon since I really need the money.

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It can take a few business days for the payment system to catch up with the determination. Be patient but also keep following up.

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This is why I hate dealing with unemployment. Everything is so confusing and unclear. At least you got a good outcome but the stress of not knowing what 'denied with relief' means must have been terrible.

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Yeah I was really panicking when I first read the letter. The wording makes it sound like bad news even when it's actually good news.

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The whole system seems designed to confuse people. Glad you got it sorted out though.

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Question - did you have to provide any additional documentation during the adjudication process? I'm worried about what I might need if my employer protests my claim.

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They asked for my employment records and any documentation about the layoff. I provided emails from my supervisor about the reduction in force which helped prove it wasn't my fault.

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Good to know. I'm going to start gathering all my employment documentation just in case.

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Always good to be prepared. Having documentation ready can speed up the adjudication process significantly.

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Wow 6 weeks is a long time to wait for a determination. I'm only 2 weeks into my adjudication but already getting stressed about money running out.

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I know the feeling. I had to borrow money from family to pay rent while waiting. The back pay helps but the waiting period is really tough.

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Yeah I'm probably going to have to do the same thing. This whole process is so stressful when you have bills to pay.

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The Washington ESD website is terrible at explaining these statuses clearly. I spent hours trying to figure out what mine meant before finally getting through to someone.

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How did you finally get through? I've been trying for days.

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I used that Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier. It actually worked and I got to talk to a real person.

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Whatever you do, don't stop filing your weekly claims even with this status. Keep filing them every week or you'll lose benefits for those weeks.

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Good point! I'll make sure to keep filing weekly even while this gets sorted out.

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Yes, this is super important! I made this mistake and lost 3 weeks of benefits that I couldn't get back.

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Usually takes 1-2 weeks for the relief part to process once they have what they need from you. Keep checking your account daily for any updates or requests.

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I'll set a reminder to check every day. Thanks for the timeline estimate!

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For anyone dealing with adjudication delays, I found that Claimyr.com really helps get answers faster. I was able to speak with a Washington ESD agent who explained exactly what was happening with my claim and gave me a timeline for resolution. Their video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ shows how the whole process works.

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I might have to try that. I've called Washington ESD probably 50 times and never gotten through to a real person.

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Same here before I found Claimyr. The peace of mind from actually talking to someone who can check your claim status is worth it.

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Just wanted to add that if you disagree with any part of the determination, even a favorable one, you have 30 days to appeal. But in your case with 'denied with relief' you're getting benefits so no need to appeal anything.

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Good to know about the appeal timeframe. I'm definitely not appealing since this works out in my favor!

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Exactly! Sometimes people get confused and think they need to appeal everything but if you're getting benefits there's no reason to rock the boat.

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I had denied with relief and it turned out they just needed me to verify my identity. Once I uploaded my documents it got approved within a week.

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That gives me hope! I'll check if there are any identity verification requests pending.

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Same thing happened to me. They wanted a copy of my driver's license and Social Security card.

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The key is not to ignore it and assume it will fix itself. Check your account regularly and respond to any requests they send you promptly.

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Definitely won't ignore it! I'll be checking daily and responding to anything they need.

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If you end up needing to talk to someone about this, I had good luck with that Claimyr service. Got through to an agent who explained my status in detail.

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I'm starting to think I should try that since calling directly hasn't worked at all.

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I was skeptical about using a third-party service but honestly it was worth it to actually get answers.

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Don't worry too much about the 'denied' part - focus on the 'with relief' which means they're going to fix whatever the issue is.

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That's a good way to think about it. I'll try to stay positive while waiting for updates.

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Make sure you're also meeting all the job search requirements while this gets sorted out. They'll ask about that when they review your claim.

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Yes, I've been keeping track of my job applications just in case. Good reminder!

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The job search log in your account is super important to keep updated.

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This gives me hope. My employer is fighting my claim too and I've been worried I won't qualify. Good to hear that Washington ESD actually investigates these things properly and doesn't just side with employers automatically.

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Yeah I was worried about the same thing. But they really do look at the evidence and make fair decisions. Just make sure you provide any documentation that supports your case.

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Thanks for the encouragement. I have good documentation so hopefully my case goes as well as yours did.

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6 weeks feels like forever when you're waiting for unemployment benefits. At least the back pay makes up for some of the stress and financial hardship during the waiting period.

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Definitely. Getting that lump sum of back pay will really help catch up on all the bills that have been piling up.

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That's the silver lining of these long adjudication periods - when it finally gets resolved you get a nice chunk of money all at once.

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Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm sure this thread will help other people who get similar confusing determination letters from Washington ESD. The 'denied with relief' wording really is terrible - sounds like bad news when it's actually good news.

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Happy to help! I was so confused when I first got the letter and couldn't find clear information online about what it meant.

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These forums are really helpful for decoding all the confusing unemployment terminology and processes. Glad you got it figured out.

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Congrats on getting a favorable determination! I went through something similar last year and the whole process was so stressful. The wording on these letters is absolutely terrible - I remember panicking when I saw "denied" even though it was actually good news. Make sure to keep filing your weekly claims while you wait for the payments to start processing. In my case, it took about 10 business days after getting the determination letter for the first payment to hit my account, and then I got all the back pay for the weeks I'd been waiting. The relief you'll feel when you see those deposits is amazing after all that uncertainty!

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