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Mateo Rodriguez

Fired for no call no show - can I still collect Washington ESD unemployment benefits?

I got terminated from my warehouse job yesterday for no call no show. I had a family emergency and couldn't make it to work for two days and honestly forgot to call in because I was dealing with my mom being in the hospital. My supervisor said they had a zero tolerance policy and let me go immediately. I know this probably looks bad but I'm wondering if I can still file for unemployment benefits through Washington ESD? I worked there for almost 2 years and never had any other attendance issues. Does anyone know if being fired for no call no show automatically disqualifies you from getting UI benefits?

You can still apply for unemployment even if you were fired. Washington ESD will investigate whether your termination was for 'misconduct' or not. No call no show can be tricky - it depends on the circumstances and whether you had a valid reason. The family emergency might help your case if you can document it.

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That's good to know! I have hospital records showing my mom was admitted. Should I include those when I file my claim?

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Yes definitely keep those records. You'll likely need them if Washington ESD decides to do an adjudication on your claim.

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File anyway! I got fired for attendance issues and still got approved for benefits. The key is explaining your side of the story when they ask. Washington ESD looks at each case individually.

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How long did it take for them to make a decision on your claim?

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About 3 weeks. My claim went into adjudication and they had to interview both me and my former employer.

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Never heard of that service but anything is better than sitting on hold for hours just to get hung up on.

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The no call no show thing is definitely considered misconduct by most employers, but Washington ESD has their own definition. If you can prove it was due to circumstances beyond your control (like a genuine emergency), you might have a shot. Make sure to be completely honest when you file and explain the hospital situation.

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I'm definitely going to be upfront about everything. I just hope they understand that I wasn't being irresponsible - I was legitimately dealing with a crisis.

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Being honest is crucial. They can verify everything anyway so lying just makes it worse.

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ugh this whole system is so frustrating!! I got denied for the stupidest reason and when I tried to appeal they made me wait MONTHS for a hearing. Even if you qualify they make it as hard as possible to actually get benefits.

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What was your denial reason? Some of them are easier to appeal than others.

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They said I quit voluntarily even though I was basically forced out. Had to get a lawyer involved to straighten it out.

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File your claim as soon as possible. Even if they initially deny you, you can appeal the decision. The important thing is to get your application in quickly so your benefit year starts. You have nothing to lose by applying.

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Good point about filing quickly. I was worried about applying if I thought I might get denied anyway.

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Yeah don't wait! Even if there's an issue, it's better to get the process started.

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I work in HR and see this situation a lot. No call no show policies vary by company but most consider it job abandonment after 2-3 days. However, if you have documentation of the emergency, many companies will work with you. Did you try contacting your employer to explain after the fact?

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I tried calling my supervisor after I got home from the hospital but he said the decision was already made. The company has a really strict policy apparently.

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That's unfortunate but not uncommon. Focus on documenting everything for your unemployment claim.

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Been through this exact situation. Got fired for missing work during a family crisis and was denied unemployment initially. Had to go through the whole appeals process but eventually won. The key is having proof of your emergency and showing it was a one-time thing, not a pattern.

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How long did the appeals process take? I'm worried about how I'll pay bills if this drags on.

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Took about 2 months total but I got back pay once I won the appeal. Start looking for other work immediately though.

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Washington ESD looks at whether your actions were willful misconduct. If you can show the no call no show was due to circumstances beyond your control and not intentional disregard for your employer's policies, you have a better chance. Medical emergencies involving immediate family are usually considered valid reasons.

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Ava Kim

This is correct. The key is proving it wasn't willful or intentional.

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That makes me feel a bit better. I definitely wasn't trying to ignore company policy - I was just overwhelmed with the emergency.

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same thing happened to my coworker last year and she got benefits after they investigated. took forever though and she had to provide tons of documentation about her emergency

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What kind of documentation did she need?

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hospital records, doctors notes, stuff like that to prove it was a real emergency

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File your weekly claims even while your eligibility is being determined. If you're eventually approved, you'll get back pay for those weeks. Don't skip filing just because you're not sure if you qualify yet.

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Good to know! I wasn't sure if I should file weekly claims if my initial application might be denied.

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Yeah always keep filing. You can't get paid for weeks you don't claim even if you're later approved.

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The worst they can do is say no. At least if you apply you have a chance. I've seen people get approved for unemployment in situations where I thought they had no shot. Washington ESD sometimes surprises you.

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True! Better to try and get denied than not try at all.

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That's what I'm thinking. I'll file this weekend and see what happens.

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Make sure you understand what 'able and available for work' means too. Even if you get approved, you'll need to meet all the ongoing requirements like job searching and being ready to accept suitable work.

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Yes I've been looking at the requirements. I'm definitely ready to work and will be actively job searching.

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Keep detailed records of your job search activities. Washington ESD can audit you at any time.

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Family emergencies are one of the few legitimate reasons that can overcome a no call no show termination. You need to document everything and be prepared to explain the timeline of events clearly if they interview you.

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I'll write down everything that happened so I don't forget any details when I need to explain it.

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Drake

Smart idea. Having a clear timeline helps a lot during the interview process.

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Don't get discouraged if you get an initial denial. A lot of people get denied first and then win on appeal. The initial determination is often made with limited information.

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This is so true. I got denied initially but won my appeal hearing easily once I could tell my full story.

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Thanks for the encouragement. I'll keep that in mind if I get bad news initially.

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I keep seeing people mention this service. Might have to try it if I can't get through the regular way.

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Yeah I'm definitely keeping it as backup plan. Hopefully I won't need it but good to know it's there.

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Remember that your former employer will likely contest your claim since you were fired for no call no show. Be prepared for that and make sure you have your documentation organized.

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I figured they would contest it. I'm getting all my hospital paperwork together just in case.

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Good thinking. Having everything organized ahead of time makes the process much smoother.

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Bottom line - apply for benefits and let Washington ESD make the determination. You were employed for 2 years with no other issues, had a legitimate emergency, and can document it. You have a reasonable case.

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Thank you everyone for all the advice! I feel much more confident about filing now. I'll update this thread once I hear back from ESD.

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Good luck! Hope everything works out for you and your mom is doing better.

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I went through something similar when I was caring for my sick father. What really helped my case was getting a letter from the hospital or doctor that confirmed the dates of the emergency and that your presence was necessary. Even though you have the admission records, a letter specifically stating that you were needed there during those exact dates when you missed work can be really powerful evidence. Also, if you have any text messages or emails from that time period showing you were dealing with the emergency, save those too. Washington ESD really does look at the full picture when there are genuine family emergencies involved.

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That's really helpful advice about getting a letter from the hospital! I hadn't thought about getting something that specifically states I was needed there during those dates. Do you think it matters if I get the letter now, after the fact, or should it be dated from when the emergency happened?

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Getting the letter after the fact is totally fine! Medical facilities are used to providing documentation for situations like this even weeks or months later. What matters is that it accurately reflects what happened during the emergency dates. I would ask for a letter that specifically mentions the dates you were at the hospital with your mom and that your presence was necessary for medical decision-making or family support. The key is having official documentation that corroborates your story about why you couldn't make it to work or call in.

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