ESD hearing for gross misconduct next week - anyone won their appeal without a lawyer?
I'm seriously stressed out. My former employer reported me for gross misconduct and now I'm facing an ESD hearing next week. My lawyer friend looked over my case and surprisingly told me I'd be better off representing myself than having him there. He walked me through what points I need to make and how to present my side. Has anyone here successfully won an appeal hearing against a gross misconduct disqualification while representing themselves? What was your experience like? Any tips on what to focus on or how to prepare? The adjudicator initially denied my claim and I'm worried about the hearing examiner just siding with my ex-employer automatically.
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Mei Zhang
I won my misconduct appeal last year! The key is preparation. Make sure you: 1. Have copies of ALL documentation related to your termination 2. Know exactly what company policy you supposedly violated 3. Be ready to explain step by step what happened with dates and times 4. Bring witness statements if possible 5. Stay calm and stick to facts, don't get emotional Focus on whether your actions meet the legal definition of misconduct (deliberate violation or disregard of employer interests). Many employers claim misconduct but can't actually prove it meets the legal standard.
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Jamal Brown
•Thank you so much! This is really helpful. Did the hearing feel intimidating? I'm nervous about speaking in front of the judge. Did you prepare a statement or just answer questions as they came?
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Liam McConnell
i lost mine but only cuz i didnt have the right paperwork. make sure u bring EVERYTHING. and dont interrupt the judge when there talking to u.
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Jamal Brown
•Sorry you lost your appeal. What paperwork did you wish you'd brought? I'm trying to gather everything possible.
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Amara Oluwaseyi
What's important to understand is that "gross misconduct" has a specific legal definition for ESD purposes. It's not just what your employer decides to call it. For gross misconduct, they need to prove your actions were: - Deliberate or willful - A disregard of your employer's interest - Of significant severity - Connected to your work Many employers label things as gross misconduct but can't actually prove all these elements. Request all evidence they've submitted to ESD about your case before the hearing so you know what you're facing.
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Jamal Brown
•This is exactly what I needed to understand. My termination letter says "gross misconduct" but what actually happened was I missed logging some inventory and they claimed I was stealing. I have documentation showing it was an honest mistake that several other employees have made before.
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CosmicCaptain
Went thru this last summer and the ESD judge was actually super fair. My boss claimed I was fired for "gross misconduct" but it was really just a personality conflict. Judge saw right through it. Just be honest and don't try to exaggerate anything.
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Giovanni Rossi
Been trying to reach ESD for WEEKS about my misconduct disqualification and cant get through!! Their phone system is ridiculous - it just disconnects me every time! How did you even manage to get a hearing scheduled??
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Fatima Al-Maktoum
•I had the same problem trying to reach ESD about my appeal. After getting disconnected literally 20+ times, I found this service called Claimyr that got me connected to an ESD agent in about 20 minutes. They basically call ESD for you and then connect you when they get through. Saved me days of frustration. Their website is claimyr.com and they have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ?si=26TzE_zGms-DODN3. Totally worth it for important stuff like appealing misconduct disqualifications.
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Amara Oluwaseyi
Having represented clients in ESD hearings, I'll mention that self-representation can sometimes be beneficial. Judges often give self-represented claimants more leeway and guidance through the process. Make sure you: 1. Submit your evidence at least 24 hours before the hearing 2. Write out your main points and questions for any witnesses 3. Practice explaining your side concisely - time is limited 4. Review the ESD handbook on appeals (available on their website) 5. Take notes during the employer's testimony so you can address inaccuracies The standard of proof in these cases is "preponderance of evidence" - which just means more likely than not (51%).
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Jamal Brown
•This is extremely helpful! I've been worried that without a lawyer the judge would just automatically believe my employer. I didn't realize I need to submit evidence beforehand - is there a specific form for this or do I just email it?
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Mei Zhang
For your evidence submission: you'll need to send it to both the OAH (Office of Administrative Hearings) AND your former employer. The hearing notice should have instructions for this. Email is usually accepted but follow their specific instructions. Also, the hearing will likely be by phone in 2025 (most still are). Make sure you're in a quiet place with good reception and have all your documents organized in front of you.
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Jamal Brown
•Thank you! The hearing notice does mention sending evidence to both parties. I'm gathering everything now. Really appreciate the help.
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Dylan Mitchell
My boss tried to claim I committed misconduct just because I called out sick too many times but I had doctors notes for everything!!! Still lost my first hearing because I didn't know how to present my case properly. WON ON APPEAL though!!! Just make sure you clearly explain how what happened doesn't meet the definition of misconduct.
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CosmicCaptain
my cousin had the same thing happen and the judge threw out the employers case cause they didnt have anyone show up who actually witnessed what happened. do u know if ur manager is planning to testify?
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Jamal Brown
•I'm not sure who they're bringing. The notice just says a "company representative" will be present. I'm guessing it'll be my direct supervisor and maybe someone from HR.
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Liam McConnell
whatever u do DONT MISS THE HEARING!! my buddy overslept and got an automatic denial. they r super strict about that stuff!!!
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