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Ellie Perry

EDD appeal hearing question - does my ex-employer show up at the judge meeting?

I just got my notice for an appeal hearing with EDD after being disqualified for "misconduct" (which is total BS - I was let go because the company was downsizing, but my manager had it out for me and reported it differently). The hearing is scheduled for March 18th, 2025 at 10:45am by phone. This is my first time dealing with appeals and I'm nervous about how it works. Will my former employer be on the call too? Or is it just me and the judge? If my old boss is there, I'm worried they'll just keep lying about why I was terminated. What exactly happens during these hearings? Do I need to prepare anything specific? Also, if anyone has actually WON their appeal after being disqualified, I'd love to hear what worked for you. I'm really stressing about this!

Landon Morgan

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Yes, your former employer will almost certainly be on the call too. The Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) conducts these hearings with both parties present so they can hear both sides of the story. You'll each have a chance to present your case and provide evidence. I had my appeal hearing last year and won after initially being disqualified. Here's what helped me: 1. Gather any documentation showing you were laid off due to downsizing (emails, termination letter, etc.) 2. Prepare a clear timeline of events 3. Be ready to calmly explain your side without getting emotional 4. If other employees were also laid off at the same time, note that in your testimony The judge will ask you questions and then your employer questions. Then you'll each have a chance to respond to what the other person said. Be honest, stick to facts, and don't interrupt when others are speaking.

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Ellie Perry

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Thank you for this info! Ugh, I was afraid they'd be on the call too. Do you know if I can have someone with me for support, like a friend or family member? Or is that not allowed?

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Teresa Boyd

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Yep ur old boss will definitely be there. thats the whole point cuz they need to figure out who's telling the truth. my hearing was super stressful ngl. my manager kept interupting me and the judge had to tell him to stop like 3 times lol

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Lourdes Fox

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Did you win your appeal? I'm curious how often the judge sides with the employee vs. the employer in these cases. Seems like the deck is stacked against us regular folks!

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Bruno Simmons

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Yes, both you and your employer will be at the hearing. These are called "de novo" hearings, which means the judge is looking at your case fresh without considering EDD's prior determination. I'm an employment attorney, and I've helped many clients through these hearings. Here's what you should know: 1. The appeal hearing typically lasts 30-45 minutes 2. The burden of proof is on your employer to prove misconduct (not on you) 3. "Misconduct" has a specific legal definition for UI purposes - it must be a deliberate disregard of the employer's interests 4. A simple downsizing or even poor performance is NOT misconduct Prepare by collecting any documentation showing the real reason for termination. If you have coworkers who were also laid off in the same downsizing, their testimony could be valuable. The judge will mail you their decision within 1-2 weeks after the hearing.

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Ellie Perry

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Thank you for the detailed explanation! That makes me feel better knowing the burden of proof is on them. I didn't realize it was that specific. I do have the company-wide email about the downsizing that went out a week before I was let go, so I'll definitely have that ready.

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I went through this nightmare last year and spent WEEKS trying to get through to EDD for clarification before my hearing. Literally called 30+ times a day for days and kept getting hung up on by their stupid system saying "we're experiencing high call volume" 🤬 Finally I found this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me through to an actual EDD rep in under 20 minutes! They have this system that keeps dialing for you and puts you in the queue. Totally saved me when I needed to ask questions before my hearing. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/JmuwXR7HA10?si=TSwYbu_GOwYzt9km And yes, my employer was on my hearing call and tried to say I was fired for being late, when really they eliminated my entire department. I won my appeal because I had documentation proving the department closure.

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Zane Gray

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It was worth every penny for me because I needed specific info before my hearing. I was spending hours redailing EDD with no luck. But you do what works for your situation - if you already have all the info you need for your appeal, you might not need it.

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My hearing was BRUTAL!!!! My ex boss brought their HR person AND a lawyer!!! I was all alone and they ganged up on me. Judge let them talk for like 20 minutes and I only got 5 minutes! System is RIGGED!!!

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Landon Morgan

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That's unusual - generally the Administrative Law Judge is careful to give both sides equal time. If you feel your hearing wasn't conducted fairly, you can appeal the judge's decision to the California Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board within 30 days. Did you ultimately win or lose your case?

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I LOST!! OF COURSE!! And then I had to pay back $4,300!!! Now Im in debt AND unemployed!!

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Lourdes Fox

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I had my appeal hearing 3 months ago. My ex-boss was definitely there but he actually messed up their case by contradicting himself multiple times. The judge picked up on this and I ended up winning my appeal! One thing no one mentioned yet - you can request a postponement if you need more time to prepare. Just call the appeals office number on your hearing notice. Also, even though it's a phone hearing, treat it like you're in court - be super respectful, don't interrupt, and refer to the judge as "Your Honor.

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Ellie Perry

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Thanks for the tip about being respectful! I'll definitely do that. Did you have any written notes in front of you during the call? I was thinking about writing down my main points so I don't get flustered and forget something important.

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Lourdes Fox

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Yes! I had notes and all my documents spread out in front of me. The nice thing about phone hearings is they can't see you looking at your notes. I wrote out a timeline, key points I wanted to make, and had all my evidence organized. Really helped me stay calm and not miss anything important.

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Zane Gray

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my friend had her appeal last month and her boss didnt show up so she automatically won! guess it depends if they care enough to fight it

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Bruno Simmons

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This is correct. If the employer doesn't appear at the hearing, they typically can't meet their burden of proving misconduct, so the claimant usually wins by default. However, employers with dedicated HR departments or those using unemployment claim management services usually do attend, especially in misconduct cases.

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Landon Morgan

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One more important tip - make sure you're in a quiet place with good phone reception for your hearing call. If you have a headset or earbuds with a microphone, use them. I've seen cases where people were driving or in noisy places during their hearing, and it made a terrible impression on the judge. Also, don't be surprised if the hearing starts late. The judges often schedule several hearings back-to-back, and if earlier ones run long, yours might start 15-30 minutes after the scheduled time. Just be patient and stay by your phone.

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Ellie Perry

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That's a great point about being in a quiet place. I'll plan to be at home in my bedroom with the door closed. My roommates can be pretty loud so I'll make sure to let them know I need quiet during that time. How long does the judge usually take to make a decision after the hearing? The waiting is going to kill me.

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Landon Morgan

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You should receive the judge's written decision by mail within 10-14 days after the hearing. Sometimes it can be faster, but with current EDD backlogs, two weeks is pretty standard. The decision will clearly state whether your appeal was granted or denied, along with the judge's reasoning.

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Oliver Becker

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I went through this exact same situation last year! Yes, your employer will definitely be on the call - that's how the judge can hear both sides of the story. I was super nervous too, but it ended up going better than I expected. A few things that really helped me prepare: - I made a simple outline of what happened and when (just bullet points) - I gathered any emails or documents that showed the real reason I was let go - I practiced explaining my side calmly without getting emotional The key thing to remember is that for misconduct, your employer has to prove you did something deliberately wrong - not just that they didn't like you or that business was slow. Being laid off due to downsizing is NOT misconduct, even if your manager tries to spin it differently. I actually won my appeal because I had documentation showing other people were laid off around the same time as me. The judge could see it was clearly a business decision, not misconduct on my part. Stay calm during the hearing and stick to the facts - you've got this! The burden of proof is on them, not you.

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TommyKapitz

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This is really encouraging to hear! I'm glad you won your appeal. Did you have a lawyer or represent yourself? I'm wondering if I should try to get legal help or if most people just handle it on their own. Also, when you say you had documentation of other layoffs - was that something like a company announcement or did you get that info from former coworkers?

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Hey, I just went through my EDD appeal hearing two weeks ago and won! Yes, your former employer will absolutely be on the call with you and the Administrative Law Judge. It's actually required so the judge can hear both sides. I was terrified going in, but here's what really helped me prepare: 1. Write down a clear timeline of events leading up to your termination 2. Gather ANY documentation that supports your version - emails about downsizing, layoff notices, performance reviews showing you weren't having issues 3. If you know other employees were let go around the same time, write down their names and when they were terminated During the hearing, the judge will swear you both in, then usually ask the employer to explain their side first. Then you get to tell your story. The key is staying calm and factual - don't let your emotions take over even if your old boss lies (mine definitely did!). The good news is that "misconduct" has a very specific legal definition for unemployment purposes. It has to be willful disregard of the employer's interests - not just poor performance or business decisions like downsizing. Since you mentioned this was due to company downsizing, you're in a strong position. The judge mailed me the decision exactly 12 days after my hearing. I was so relieved when I won! You can do this - just be prepared and stay focused on the facts. Good luck!

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Brady Clean

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This is so helpful, thank you! It's reassuring to know that misconduct has such a specific legal definition. I do have that company-wide email about downsizing that went out before my termination, plus I know at least 3 other people in my department who were let go within the same month. Did you find it hard to stay calm when your employer was lying during the hearing? I'm worried I'll get flustered or angry if my old manager starts making stuff up. Any tips for keeping your cool in the moment?

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ApolloJackson

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I'm going through the same thing right now - got my appeal hearing scheduled for next month after being wrongfully disqualified. Reading through everyone's experiences here is both terrifying and helpful at the same time! From what I've gathered from all the comments, it sounds like the key things are: - Yes, your employer will be on the call (unfortunately) - Have all your documentation ready and organized - Stay calm and factual even if they lie - Remember the burden of proof is on THEM to prove misconduct That company-wide downsizing email you mentioned sounds like golden evidence! I wish I had something that clear-cut. My situation is messier - they're claiming I was "unreliable" but really they just wanted to get rid of higher-paid employees. Has anyone here had success when it's more of a he-said-she-said situation without as much documentation? I have some emails showing my good performance but nothing as definitive as a downsizing announcement. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - it's helping me feel less alone in this stressful process!

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Paloma Clark

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I'm in a similar boat with the he-said-she-said situation! My employer is claiming "poor performance" but I suspect they just wanted to cut costs and I was an easy target. What I've been doing to prepare is gathering any positive feedback I received - even informal emails from coworkers or clients thanking me, any performance reviews (even if they weren't perfect), and documenting dates when I completed projects successfully. Also, I read somewhere that inconsistencies in their story can really work in your favor. If they're claiming you were "unreliable," try to think of specific examples that contradict that - like times you stayed late, covered for others, or took on extra responsibilities. The judge will be listening for whether their story makes logical sense. You're definitely not alone in this! The fact that so many people here have won their appeals after being wrongfully disqualified gives me hope that the system does work sometimes, even when it feels stacked against us.

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