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Hiroshi Nakamura

Does your previous employer pay your Washington ESD unemployment benefits?

I just got laid off from my job at a manufacturing company and I'm filing for unemployment with Washington ESD. My coworker told me that our old employer has to pay for my unemployment benefits directly, but that doesn't sound right to me. I thought unemployment came from taxes or something? Can someone explain how this actually works? I don't want to be surprised if my former boss gets mad about having to pay out of pocket for my claim.

Your employer doesn't pay your benefits directly. They pay unemployment insurance taxes throughout the year based on their payroll, and Washington ESD uses that pooled money to fund everyone's claims. Your specific claim doesn't come out of your employer's pocket right when you file.

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Oh that makes way more sense! So it's like they're paying into a big insurance pool ahead of time?

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Exactly! Just like how your car insurance works - you pay premiums but the insurance company pays claims when needed.

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Actually your employer's tax rate can go up if they have too many claims against them. So while they don't pay your specific claim directly, having employees file for UI can cost them more in the long run through higher tax rates.

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Wait so they DO end up paying more because of my claim? Now I'm confused again...

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Not immediately, but yes their future tax rate could increase if they have a pattern of layoffs. It's called experience rating.

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This is why some employers will contest claims even for legitimate layoffs - they're trying to keep their tax rates down.

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How much does something like that cost? I'm already worried about money since I just lost my job.

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It's worth checking out their site for details, but honestly after spending days trying to get through myself it was a relief to finally talk to someone who could answer my questions.

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The whole system is set up to screw over workers anyway. Employers lobby to keep benefit amounts low and qualification requirements high, then act like they're doing us a favor when we need help after THEY laid us off.

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I mean... I just want to understand how it works so I know what to expect.

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same here, the politics don't really help when you're just trying to pay rent

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Here's the technical breakdown: Employers pay State Unemployment Tax Act (SUTA) taxes quarterly based on their payroll. The tax rate varies by employer depending on their history of layoffs and claims. Washington ESD uses this money to fund the UI trust fund that pays all claims.

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So when I file my weekly claims, that money is coming from this trust fund, not directly from my old job?

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Correct. Your employer already paid into the system, now Washington ESD manages distributing those funds to eligible claimants.

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This is actually really helpful info. I was worried my boss would be getting bills with my name on them or something.

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My employer tried to tell me they couldn't afford to have me file for unemployment because it would cost them too much. Turns out they were just trying to scare me into not filing. The taxes are based on their overall payroll and claim history, not individual claims.

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Wow that's super shady of them to try to discourage you like that!

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Employers pull this crap all the time. File your claim - you earned those benefits through your work.

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just filed my claim yesterday and was wondering the same thing lol

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Hope this thread helped clear it up for you too!

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The experience rating system is actually pretty complex. Employers get charged back for claims, but it's not dollar-for-dollar. Washington ESD calculates their tax rate based on the ratio of benefits charged to their account versus their total payroll over a specific period.

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This is getting pretty technical but I think I understand the basic idea now.

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Yeah the main point is your employer isn't writing a check for your specific claim amount.

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Right, they're paying into the system through payroll taxes whether they have claims or not.

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I remember being so stressed about this when I first filed. Thought my boss was going to be furious with me personally. Then I realized it's just part of doing business - employers are required to carry unemployment insurance just like workers comp.

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That's a good way to think about it - it's just another business expense they have to plan for.

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Exactly! And if they didn't want to deal with unemployment claims, they shouldn't have laid people off.

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Does anyone know if temp agencies pay the same unemployment taxes as regular employers? I worked through a staffing company before my direct hire job.

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Yes, temp agencies pay SUTA taxes just like any other employer. Your benefits would be based on wages from both jobs if you worked both within your base period.

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Good to know, thanks!

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The system makes more sense when you think about it as insurance rather than welfare. Employers pay premiums (taxes) and workers receive benefits when they meet the qualifying conditions (involuntary job loss, etc.).

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Yeah that insurance analogy really helps me understand it better.

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Plus you had to work and earn a certain amount to even qualify, so you've paid into the system through your work too.

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I tried calling Washington ESD about employer tax questions but gave up after being on hold for 2 hours. Ended up using that Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier and actually got through to talk to someone. Way less frustrating than the regular phone system.

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Seems like a lot of people have trouble getting through to Washington ESD directly.

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The phone system is definitely a nightmare. I've had better luck with their online messaging but even that takes forever to get a response.

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One thing to keep in mind - if your employer contests your claim saying you were fired for misconduct instead of laid off, they're trying to avoid having the claim charged to their account. That's when the employer connection becomes more obvious.

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Fortunately my layoff was clearly due to lack of work, so hopefully they won't contest it.

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Even if they do contest, as long as you have documentation showing it was a layoff you should be fine.

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Exactly. Washington ESD investigates contested claims and makes the final determination based on the facts.

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Thanks for asking this question! I've been wondering the same thing since I got my separation notice last week. This thread cleared up a lot of confusion.

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Glad it helped! I was definitely overthinking the whole thing.

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My friend works in HR and she explained it like this: unemployment taxes are just a cost of doing business. Companies budget for them annually just like any other expense. Individual claims don't create surprise bills.

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That makes total sense. I was picturing my boss getting a bill in the mail with my name on it or something.

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Haha no, it's much more systematic than that. The state handles all the administration and payment processing.

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Bottom line: file your claim if you're eligible. Don't worry about your employer having to pay - they're already paying into the system whether you file or not. You earned those benefits through your work.

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You're absolutely right. I'm going to finish my application today and stop worrying about it.

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Good for you! That's exactly the right attitude to have.

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