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Brianna Schmidt

Can you sue Washington ESD unemployment for wrongfully denying benefits?

My Washington ESD claim was denied 8 months ago and I've been fighting it ever since. I went through the appeal process, had a hearing, and they still upheld the denial even though I believe I was wrongfully terminated. I've been living off savings and credit cards this whole time. At what point can you actually sue Washington ESD? I'm starting to think about getting a lawyer involved because this is destroying my finances. Has anyone here ever taken legal action against the unemployment office?

You generally can't sue Washington ESD directly for benefit denials. The administrative appeal process through the Office of Administrative Hearings is designed to be the remedy. However, there might be grounds for a lawsuit if there was fraud, discrimination, or constitutional violations. What was the specific reason for your denial?

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They said I was fired for misconduct but my employer lied about what happened. I have documentation proving otherwise but the hearing officer didn't seem to care.

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If you have new evidence that wasn't considered, you might be able to request a review or file a petition for judicial review in superior court. That's different from suing for damages though.

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I tried getting through to Washington ESD for months about my wrongful denial. Calling was impossible - always busy signals or getting hung up on after waiting hours. Finally found this service called Claimyr that gets you through to actual ESD agents. Check out claimyr.com - they have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ showing how it works. Might be worth trying before going the legal route.

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I'll look into that, thanks. At this point I'm willing to try anything to get someone at Washington ESD to actually listen.

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How much does that service cost? Seems like we shouldn't have to pay extra just to reach our own unemployment office.

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It's way less than what a lawyer would charge and definitely cheaper than living off credit cards for months. The main thing is it actually works - I got through to someone who could review my case properly.

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Before considering a lawsuit, make sure you've exhausted all administrative remedies. Did you file a petition for review with the Washington State Supreme Court after your Board of Review appeal? That's typically required before any court action.

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I didn't know about that step. My hearing was through the Office of Administrative Hearings but I don't think it went to a Board of Review?

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If your appeal was denied at the OAH level, you should have gotten information about filing a petition for review. Check your denial letter - there should be instructions about the next steps.

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dude the whole system is rigged against us. ive been trying to get benefits for 6 months and they keep finding new excuses to deny me. thinking about suing too but probably cant afford a lawyer

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Have you tried contacting legal aid? Some lawyers take unemployment cases on contingency or pro bono if there's clear misconduct by the state.

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yeah tried that already, they said unemployment cases are hard to win unless theres like discrimination or something obvious

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I successfully sued my former employer for wrongful termination which helped strengthen my unemployment case. Sometimes going after the employer directly is more effective than trying to sue Washington ESD. Did you consider that angle?

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That's actually a good point. My employer definitely lied during the unemployment hearing. Maybe I should focus on them instead of Washington ESD.

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Exactly. If you can prove your employer provided false information, that could be grounds for a lawsuit AND help overturn your unemployment denial.

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WASHINGTON ESD IS THE WORST!!! They denied my standby claim even though my union specifically told them I was on approved layoff status. These people don't even read the paperwork properly!!!

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Standby claims have specific requirements. Did you submit the proper union documentation and employer verification forms?

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YES I submitted everything they asked for TWICE and they still screwed it up. The whole system needs to be sued into oblivion.

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I know someone who filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against Washington ESD for discrimination in their denial process. It took 3 years but they eventually settled. However, this was specifically about discriminatory practices, not just a wrongful denial.

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What kind of discrimination was involved? I wonder if there's any pattern to these wrongful denials that could indicate systemic problems.

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It involved disability discrimination - they weren't properly accommodating requests for alternative communication methods during the appeal process.

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Just wanted to follow up on the Claimyr suggestion - I used them again last week to check on a job search requirement issue and got through to someone at Washington ESD in under 10 minutes. Way better than spending months trying to sue when you might just need to talk to the right person.

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I'm definitely going to try this first. If I can get someone to actually look at my documentation properly, maybe I won't need legal action.

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Most employment lawyers will tell you that suing state agencies like Washington ESD is extremely difficult due to sovereign immunity protections. The state has to basically waive their immunity or you need to prove constitutional violations.

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That's discouraging but good to know. Sounds like I need to focus on the administrative process rather than jumping straight to lawsuits.

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Exactly. The system is designed to resolve these issues through appeals and reviews, not civil litigation. Though it's frustrating when that process seems broken too.

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had a similar situation last year, spent thousands on a lawyer who basically told me what everyone here is saying - cant really sue ESD directly. wish i had known about that calling service back then would have saved me a lot of money and stress

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That's exactly what I was afraid of. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's helping me think more clearly about my options.

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The real question is whether Washington ESD violated due process in your case. If they didn't follow their own procedures or ignored evidence, that might be grounds for court action. But you'd need to document everything very carefully.

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I do have records of everything - all the forms I submitted, emails, hearing transcripts. Maybe I should have a lawyer review those to see if there were procedural violations.

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That's smart. Even if you can't sue for damages, procedural violations might help you get a new hearing or review of your case.

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Why is everyone talking about suing? Just appeal through the proper channels. I won my appeal after initially being denied and it didn't require any lawyers or special services.

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I already went through the appeal process and lost. That's why I'm asking about other options.

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Oh sorry, I missed that part. If you've exhausted appeals then yeah, legal action might be your only remaining option.

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My brother in law is a lawyer and he says most unemployment lawsuits end up being more expensive than just finding another job and moving on. Unless there's serious misconduct, the costs usually outweigh any potential recovery.

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That's probably true but it's the principle of the matter at this point. They owe me 8 months of benefits that I was entitled to.

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I totally understand the frustration. Just make sure you're thinking about it practically too, not just emotionally.

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Have you tried contacting your state representative or senator? Sometimes political pressure can resolve Washington ESD issues faster than legal action. I know someone who got their case reopened after their rep's office made some calls.

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I hadn't thought of that approach. It's worth a try before spending money on lawyers.

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Definitely worth trying. Elected officials have staff specifically for helping with state agency problems like this.

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Update on my earlier Claimyr recommendation - I helped my neighbor use it yesterday for her adjudication issue and she actually got her claim processed the same day after talking to someone at Washington ESD. Sometimes you just need to reach the right person who can fix the problem immediately.

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That's amazing. I'm definitely trying this tomorrow. Maybe my case just needs someone to actually look at it properly.

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Class action lawsuits against state unemployment agencies have happened before, especially when there are systematic problems affecting large numbers of people. Might be worth connecting with other people who've had similar experiences.

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How would someone go about finding others with similar cases? Are there any groups or forums specifically for this?

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Social media groups and legal aid organizations sometimes coordinate these efforts. You'd need to find people with very similar fact patterns though.

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honestly after reading all this i think the calling service sounds like the best first step. if that doesnt work then maybe consider legal options but at least try the easier solution first

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Yeah that seems to be the consensus here. I'm going to try Claimyr first thing tomorrow and see if I can get someone to review my case properly.

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Just remember that even if you can't successfully sue Washington ESD, documenting everything properly now could help with future issues or policy changes. Keep detailed records of all your interactions and problems.

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Good point. I've been keeping records but I'll make sure they're organized properly in case I need them later.

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The statute of limitations for most claims against state agencies is pretty short, so if you're serious about legal action, don't wait too long to consult with a lawyer.

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How long do I typically have? My denial was 8 months ago but I've been in appeals since then.

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It varies but usually 1-3 years depending on the type of claim. Appeals might toll the statute but you'd need to check with a lawyer to be sure.

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Thanks for posting this question - I'm in a similar situation and this thread has been really helpful. Going to try the calling service and political rep approaches before considering legal action.

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Glad it helped! I feel like I have a much better roadmap now for what to try next. Sometimes just talking through the options helps clarify things.

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