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Elijah Jackson

Can I get a lawyer for Washington ESD unemployment appeal hearing?

My Washington ESD claim got denied and I have an appeal hearing scheduled next month. The denial letter says I was fired for misconduct but that's completely wrong - I was laid off due to company downsizing. I'm really confused about the whole appeals process and wondering if I should hire a lawyer to represent me at the hearing. Has anyone here used a lawyer for their Washington ESD unemployment appeal? Is it worth the cost or can I handle this myself?

You absolutely can hire a lawyer for unemployment appeals in Washington. I've seen people win cases they would have lost representing themselves. The Administrative Law Judge will explain the process, but having someone who knows employment law can make a huge difference, especially if your former employer shows up with their attorney.

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Do you know roughly how much lawyers charge for unemployment appeals? I'm already struggling financially since my claim was denied.

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Most employment attorneys charge between $200-400/hour for unemployment hearings, but some work on contingency where they only get paid if you win. Shop around and ask about payment options during your consultation.

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Before you hire a lawyer, make sure you understand exactly why Washington ESD denied your claim. Sometimes it's just a matter of providing the right documentation. Did you get a copy of what your employer told them about your termination? You can request this through your SecureAccess Washington account.

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I haven't checked that yet. How do I find what my employer reported to Washington ESD?

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Log into your SAW account and look for the determination letter. It should show the employer's response to the separation questionnaire. Sometimes employers lie or exaggerate to avoid paying higher unemployment taxes.

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I had the same thing happen last year - got denied for 'misconduct' when I was actually just let go. Spent weeks trying to call Washington ESD to get answers but could never get through. Finally used Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get connected to an actual agent who explained the appeals process. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows how it works. Way better than sitting on hold for hours.

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Never heard of Claimyr before. Did they help you win your appeal or just get you connected to Washington ESD?

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They just help you get through to Washington ESD agents by phone. But once I talked to someone, they explained what documents I needed for my appeal hearing. Ended up winning without a lawyer because I had the right paperwork.

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How much does that Claimyr service cost? Seems like it might be cheaper than hiring a lawyer if it actually works.

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You don't necessarily need a lawyer for unemployment appeals, but it depends on how complicated your case is. If it's straightforward wrongful denial like yours sounds, you might be able to handle it yourself. The key is having documentation - layoff notices, emails about company downsizing, witness statements from coworkers, etc.

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I do have the layoff notice and some emails about the company restructuring. Should I submit these before the hearing or bring them to the hearing?

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Submit them as soon as possible through the appeals office. You want the judge to have time to review everything before the hearing. Also send copies to your former employer so they can't claim they were surprised by your evidence.

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ugh the whole appeals process is such a nightmare. been dealing with Washington ESD for months now and they make everything so complicated. why can't they just process claims correctly the first time instead of making us jump through all these hoops??

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I feel your frustration but the appeals process actually works pretty well if you're prepared. About 40% of denied claims get overturned on appeal in Washington.

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that's still less than half though. the system is designed to deny people first and make them fight for what they deserve

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I represented myself at my Washington ESD appeal hearing last year and won. The Administrative Law Judge was actually pretty fair and patient. My advice is to organize your evidence chronologically and practice explaining your side of the story clearly and concisely. Don't get emotional or argue with your former employer - just stick to the facts.

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That's encouraging to hear! How long did the hearing last? I'm nervous about the whole process.

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Mine was about 45 minutes total. The judge asked questions, then let me present my evidence, then let the employer respond. Most of the time was spent clarifying the facts of my termination.

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Did your former employer show up to the hearing? Mine didn't even bother and I won by default.

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Check if there are any legal aid organizations in your area that help with unemployment appeals. Some provide free or low-cost representation for people who can't afford private attorneys. Washington State has several programs that might be able to help you.

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That's a great suggestion! Do you know the names of any specific organizations I should look into?

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Try Northwest Justice Project or your local bar association's pro bono program. They often have attorneys who volunteer their time for unemployment cases.

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Whatever you decide about a lawyer, make sure you file your appeal on time! Washington ESD only gives you 30 days from the determination date to appeal. I've seen people lose good cases just because they filed late.

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Already filed my appeal within the deadline, but thanks for the reminder. When should I expect to hear about the hearing date?

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Usually takes 2-4 weeks to get scheduled. They'll send you a notice with the date, time, and phone number to call in. Most hearings are done by phone now.

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Also want to mention that if you do decide to hire a lawyer, make sure they specialize in employment law and have experience with Washington ESD appeals specifically. General practice attorneys might not know all the nuances of unemployment law.

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This is really important advice. I hired a lawyer who mostly did personal injury and he wasn't familiar with unemployment procedures. Cost me $800 and I still lost my case.

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Exactly! Always ask about their experience with unemployment appeals during the consultation. A good employment attorney should know the common issues and successful strategies.

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I'm going through something similar right now with my Washington ESD claim. Got denied for 'voluntarily quitting' when I actually had to leave due to unsafe working conditions. The whole system seems designed to deny first and ask questions later.

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That sounds like you have a good case for appeal! Quitting due to unsafe conditions is considered good cause in Washington. Do you have documentation of the safety issues?

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I have some photos and emails to my supervisor about the problems. Also filed complaints with L&I about the safety violations. Hoping that's enough evidence.

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From my experience, the most important thing is being prepared and having your story straight. I won my appeal without a lawyer by creating a timeline of events and gathering witness statements from former coworkers who saw what happened.

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Great idea about the timeline! I'm going to start putting together a chronological list of everything that happened leading up to my layoff.

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Yes, and include dates, times, and names of people involved. The judge will appreciate having clear, organized information rather than a confusing story.

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Quick question - if you win your appeal, does Washington ESD pay you for all the weeks you were denied? I'm dealing with a similar situation and wondering about back pay.

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Yes, if you win your appeal you'll get retroactive benefits for all the weeks you were eligible but denied. Washington ESD will process the back pay within a few weeks of the favorable decision.

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That's a relief! The financial stress from being denied has been terrible. Good luck with your appeal @OP!

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I used Claimyr recently when I needed to talk to someone at Washington ESD about my adjudication. Took forever to get through on my own but they got me connected in like 20 minutes. Might be worth using if you need to clarify anything before your hearing.

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Several people have mentioned Claimyr now. Might be worth trying if I have questions about the appeals process.

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Yeah, their system actually works. Way better than spending all day redialing the Washington ESD number and getting busy signals.

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Don't let your former employer intimidate you during the hearing. They might try to make you sound like a terrible employee, but stick to the facts about your layoff. The judge has heard it all before and can usually tell when employers are exaggerating.

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Thanks for that advice. I'm worried they'll try to make me look bad since they reported misconduct initially.

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Just stay calm and professional. If they make false claims, politely correct them with your evidence. Don't get into arguments or personal attacks.

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Something else to consider - even if you lose the initial appeal, you can appeal to the Board of Appeals and then to Superior Court. Each level gives you another chance to present your case, though it gets more complicated at the higher levels.

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Good to know there are other options if needed. Hopefully it won't come to that though.

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Most cases get resolved at the first appeal level, so don't worry too much about the higher appeals. Focus on preparing well for this hearing.

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UPDATE: Just wanted to thank everyone for the advice! I ended up gathering all my layoff documentation and preparing a timeline like suggested. My appeal hearing is next week and I feel much more confident about representing myself. Will update after the hearing with results.

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Good luck! Sounds like you're well prepared. Remember to speak clearly during the phone hearing and don't be afraid to ask the judge to clarify if you don't understand something.

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You've got this! Having good documentation and a clear timeline usually wins these cases. Let us know how it goes.

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One more thing - if you do need to talk to Washington ESD before your hearing for any reason, seriously consider using Claimyr. I've recommended it to several people now and everyone says it's worth it to actually get through to a human being instead of waiting on hold forever.

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I'll keep that in mind if I have any last-minute questions. Thanks again for all the help everyone!

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Based on your situation, it sounds like you have a strong case for your appeal since you have documentation showing it was a layoff due to company downsizing, not misconduct. I'd recommend trying to handle it yourself first - many people win these appeals without lawyers when they have clear evidence like you do. Make sure to submit your layoff notice and any emails about restructuring to the appeals office before the hearing. If you run into complications or your former employer brings an attorney, you can always hire one for a potential second appeal. The key is being organized and sticking to the facts about why you were actually terminated.

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That's really helpful advice! I'm feeling more confident about representing myself now that I know I have solid documentation. Quick question - when you say submit the documents before the hearing, is there a specific deadline or should I just get them in as soon as possible?

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As someone who went through a similar situation, I'd suggest starting by gathering all your documentation first before deciding on a lawyer. Since you have the layoff notice and company downsizing emails, you're already in a much better position than many people who appeal. I'd recommend calling the appeals office to ask about their document submission process - they'll tell you exactly when and how to submit your evidence. If you feel overwhelmed after reviewing everything, you can always consult with an employment attorney for an hour just to get their opinion on your case strength. Many offer free or low-cost initial consultations. But honestly, with clear documentation of a layoff versus misconduct, you might be able to handle this yourself and save the attorney fees.

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