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Can I get Washington ESD unemployment if I quit my job voluntarily?

I'm thinking about quitting my job because my manager has been making my life miserable for months. The workplace has become really toxic and I'm losing sleep over it. But I'm worried about money - can I still collect unemployment from Washington ESD if I quit voluntarily? Or do I have to get fired to qualify? I've been working there for 2 years and really don't want to stay but I also can't afford to have no income.

You can potentially qualify for unemployment benefits even if you quit, but it has to be for what Washington ESD considers 'good cause.' Things like unsafe working conditions, harassment, or significant changes to your job duties might qualify. You'll need to document everything and be prepared to explain your situation during the adjudication process.

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What kind of documentation should I be gathering? I haven't been keeping records of the issues but they've been ongoing for months.

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Start documenting everything now - emails, incident reports, witness statements if possible. Also check if your company has an HR department you should report to first, as Washington ESD might ask if you tried to resolve the issues internally.

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I quit my job last year due to hostile work environment and initially got denied for UI benefits. Had to go through the whole appeal process but eventually won. The key is proving you had no reasonable alternative but to quit.

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How long did the appeal process take? I'm worried about being without income for months while they decide.

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Mine took about 6 weeks total, but I've heard it can vary a lot depending on how busy they are with adjudications.

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Generally you can't get UI benefits if you quit voluntarily, but Washington has some exceptions for 'good cause.' Toxic workplace situations might qualify if you can document harassment or unsafe conditions. You'd need to prove you had no reasonable alternative but to quit.

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What kind of documentation would I need? I have some emails but nothing super obvious.

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Keep copies of any written complaints you filed, hostile emails, witness statements if coworkers saw the behavior. Also document if you tried to resolve it through HR first.

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Before you quit, you should really try calling Washington ESD to get through and speak with someone about your specific situation. I know their phone lines are always busy, but there's actually a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that helped me get through when I couldn't reach them myself. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ showing how it works. Might be worth getting official guidance before you make the decision to quit.

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Thanks for the suggestion! I didn't know there were services to help get through to Washington ESD. Their phone system is impossible.

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I've been trying to call Washington ESD for weeks about my own claim issues. Might have to check out this Claimyr thing too.

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The Washington ESD website says you can quit for 'good cause' but they're pretty strict about what counts. Medical reasons, domestic violence, harassment, or major changes to your job terms are usually accepted. But you have to prove it wasn't just because you didn't like the job.

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The stress is definitely affecting my health. Would I need a doctor's note or something to prove that?

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Medical documentation would definitely help your case. If you can show the job was causing health problems, that strengthens your argument for good cause.

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Whatever you do, DON'T just walk out without trying to resolve things first. Washington ESD will ask if you attempted to fix the problems before quitting. At least document that you tried talking to your supervisor or HR.

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I did talk to my supervisor about the workload issues but nothing changed. Should I try HR next?

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Yes, go through proper channels. If HR can't or won't help, that shows you exhausted your options before quitting.

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I quit my job 3 months ago thinking I'd easily find something new and now I'm struggling financially. Wish I'd known about the good cause requirements before I left. Make sure you understand what you're getting into!

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Did you try applying for unemployment anyway? Even if you don't think you qualify?

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I did apply but got denied pretty quickly. The adjudication process found I quit without good cause. Now I'm stuck.

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Just to clarify the 'good cause' standard - it has to be something that would cause a reasonable person in your situation to quit. Personal preferences or minor workplace conflicts usually don't qualify. But genuine safety concerns, illegal activities by the employer, or significant changes to your job duties might.

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My supervisor has been assigning me tasks way outside my job description and threatening to write me up if I don't complete them. Would that count?

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That could potentially qualify as a substantial change in working conditions. Make sure you document these instances and any communications about the job duty changes.

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I quit my last job because of a similar situation and Washington ESD initially denied my claim. Had to appeal and it took forever to get through to anyone to explain my case.

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How long did the appeal process take? I'm already stressed about money.

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About 6 weeks total, but that was last year when they were really backed up. The hardest part was actually reaching someone at Washington ESD to get status updates.

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I had the same problem trying to reach Washington ESD! I actually found this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that helped me get through to an actual agent. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ showing how it works. Made the whole process way less stressful.

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The whole system is rigged against workers anyway. They make it nearly impossible to get benefits even when you have legitimate reasons for leaving. Good luck fighting the bureaucracy.

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I understand the frustration, but people do win these cases when they have proper documentation and valid reasons.

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Maybe, but they make you jump through so many hoops and wait so long that most people give up.

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Before you do anything drastic, consider if there are other jobs you could transfer to within the company. Sometimes that's easier than quitting and dealing with the uncertainty of unemployment benefits.

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It's a small company so there aren't really other positions available. The toxic environment is pretty much company-wide.

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The key term you need to know is 'voluntary quit with good cause.' Washington ESD recognizes several situations including workplace harassment, significant changes to job conditions, or health/safety concerns. But the burden of proof is on you to show you tried other solutions first.

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This is exactly right. I work in HR and see this situation a lot. Document everything and try to work with your employer first if possible.

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I haven't formally complained to HR yet because I'm worried it will make things worse before I can get out.

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honestly the system is rigged against workers anyway. they make it nearly impossible to get benefits even when you deserve them. i'd say just stick it out until you find another job rather than deal with washington esd bureaucracy

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That's not very helpful advice. Some people can't just 'stick it out' in abusive situations.

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fair point, just sharing my experience with how difficult they make the process

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If you do decide to quit and apply for benefits, be prepared for the application process to take a while. Washington ESD will investigate your claim thoroughly, especially for voluntary quit situations. Having all your documentation ready will speed things up.

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How long does the investigation usually take for these types of cases?

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In my experience, anywhere from 2-6 weeks depending on how complex your situation is and how backed up they are with adjudications.

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Make sure you apply for benefits immediately after you quit if you decide to go that route. There's no waiting period for applying, and you want to get your claim in the system as soon as possible even if they need to investigate.

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Good point. I didn't realize you could apply right away even with a voluntary quit situation.

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Before you make any decisions, I'd recommend calling Washington ESD directly to discuss your specific situation. They can give you better guidance on whether your circumstances might qualify for good cause separation.

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I've tried calling but can never get through. The phone lines are always busy.

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That's where Claimyr really helped me out. Instead of spending hours trying to get through, they handled the calling process and connected me with an agent within a reasonable time. Saved me so much frustration.

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Never heard of that service before. Does it actually work or is it just another scam?

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It's legit - they don't ask for personal info upfront and you can see exactly how it works in their demo video. I was skeptical too but it actually delivered on what they promised.

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You might also want to check if your state has any whistleblower protections or if this qualifies as constructive dismissal. Sometimes the legal framework around these situations is more complex than just the unemployment eligibility.

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I hadn't thought about the legal angle. This is getting complicated.

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It can be, but don't let that overwhelm you. Start with documenting your situation and talking to Washington ESD about your options.

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Just wanted to add - when I went through this, I wished I had started documenting things earlier. Start keeping a log of incidents with dates and details now, even if you're not sure you'll need it.

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Good point. I'll start doing that today.

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Yes, and make sure to save any electronic communications in a personal folder, not just on your work computer.

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One more thing to consider - if you do qualify for benefits after quitting, there might be a longer waiting period compared to if you were laid off. Washington ESD will also require you to be actively seeking work and available for suitable employment.

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How long is the waiting period usually?

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It varies, but could be several weeks longer than a typical claim. Plus they scrutinize voluntary quit cases more carefully during the adjudication process.

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Mei Lin

I'm in a similar boat with a terrible boss. Following this thread to see what options there are.

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It's so frustrating that we even have to deal with this. No one should have to choose between their mental health and paying bills.

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Mei Lin

Exactly. The whole system needs to be more worker-friendly.

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I used that Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier and finally got through to Washington ESD after trying for weeks on my own. They were actually pretty helpful in explaining my options. Definitely worth the money when you can't get through otherwise.

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How much does it cost? I'm already worried about money if I quit my job.

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They don't mention the cost upfront but for me it was worth it to actually talk to someone at Washington ESD instead of getting hung up on constantly.

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Document everything - emails, text messages, witness statements, dates and times of incidents. The more evidence you have of the problems that forced you to quit, the better your chances during adjudication.

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I wish I'd started documenting sooner. Some of the worst incidents happened months ago and I don't have records.

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Write down what you remember with as many details as possible - dates, witnesses, what was said. Even if it's not perfect documentation, it's better than nothing.

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Also consider that if you quit voluntarily, your former employer might contest your unemployment claim. They have the right to provide their side of the story to Washington ESD during the investigation.

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What if my employer lies about what happened? How do I prove my side?

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That's why documentation is so important. Emails, written policies, witness statements - anything that backs up your version of events.

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Don't forget about the job search requirements if you do get approved for benefits. You'll still need to be actively looking for work and document your job search activities.

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How many jobs do you have to apply for each week? Is it still 3 like it used to be?

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I think it's still 3 job search activities per week, but check the current requirements when you file your weekly claims.

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Final advice: don't make any hasty decisions. Talk to Washington ESD first, document everything you can, and maybe consult with an employment attorney for a free consultation if the situation is severe enough. You want to make sure you're in the strongest position possible if you do need to file for benefits.

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Thanks everyone. This has been really helpful. I think I'll start with documenting everything and then try to reach Washington ESD to discuss my options.

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Good plan. And remember, if you have trouble getting through to Washington ESD, that Claimyr service is there as a backup option. Sometimes having a clear path to actually talk to someone makes all the difference in these situations.

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update us on how it goes! i'm sure others are in similar situations and could benefit from hearing about your experience

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Will do. Hopefully I can figure out a solution that doesn't involve staying in this toxic environment much longer.

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If your claim gets denied initially, don't give up! The appeal process exists for a reason and many people win on appeal even if they lose the first determination.

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How do you file an appeal? Is there a time limit?

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You have 30 days from the date of the determination letter to file an appeal. The instructions should be included with your denial notice.

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Consider consulting with an employment attorney before you quit, especially if you think you might have legal claims against your employer for harassment or unsafe conditions.

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I hadn't thought about that. Would talking to a lawyer help with the unemployment claim too?

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It could. An attorney can help you understand both your legal options and how to best position your unemployment claim.

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Remember that Washington ESD looks at the final incident that made you quit, not just the overall pattern. So make sure you can clearly explain what specific event pushed you over the edge.

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That's really helpful to know. I need to think about what the 'last straw' moment would be.

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Whatever you decide, make sure you understand that quitting makes getting unemployment much harder than being laid off. Have a backup plan in case your claim gets denied.

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You're right. I need to have some savings built up or other options before I make this decision.

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I went through this same situation 2 years ago. The key is being able to show you tried everything possible to resolve the issues before quitting. Washington ESD wants to see you made reasonable efforts to stay employed.

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What counts as reasonable efforts? Just talking to supervisors or more than that?

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It depends on your company, but talking to HR, filing grievances if available, requesting transfers - basically using whatever internal processes exist before walking away.

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One more thing - if you do quit and apply for benefits, be completely honest in your application and interviews. Washington ESD can verify information with your employer, and lying will disqualify you permanently.

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Thanks for all the advice everyone. I have a lot to think about and document before making any decisions.

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Good luck with whatever you decide. Just remember that preparation and documentation are key if you go the unemployment route.

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Just remember that your mental health is important too. Don't sacrifice your wellbeing for a job that doesn't value you.

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Thank you. That means a lot to hear right now.

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One practical tip - if you do end up filing a claim after quitting, be very thorough in your application. Washington ESD will ask detailed questions about why you left and what steps you took to resolve the issues. The more complete your initial application, the smoother the process tends to go.

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That's good to know. I'll make sure to be thorough if it comes to that.

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been following this thread and just want to say good luck OP. toxic workplaces are the worst and no one should have to endure that

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Thanks for the support. It really helps to know I'm not alone in dealing with this kind of situation.

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