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Taylor To

Boeing IAM members not eligible for WA PFML - only short-term disability?

Just started at Boeing under the IAM union contract and was looking into benefits. I was shocked to find out that apparently we don't qualify for Washington State Paid Family Medical Leave like most other employees in the state! From what I understand, we only get the short-term disability pay through the union instead. Can someone confirm if this is correct? I thought PFML was mandatory for all WA workers? What's the deal with Boeing IAM being different, and how does the short-term disability compare to what I'd get through state PFML? Really confused about my options here.

Ella Cofer

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You're correct. Boeing IAM members are exempt from WA PFML because the union negotiated its own short-term disability benefit package instead. This was allowed under the state law which permits unions with collective bargaining agreements to opt out if they provide comparable benefits. The IAM disability plan covers similar situations but has different benefit calculations and requirements than the state program.

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Taylor To

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Thanks for confirming. Do you know if the IAM disability benefits are better or worse than the state PFML? I was counting on having access to paid family leave when my baby arrives next year.

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Kevin Bell

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Yep, it's one of those weird exceptions in the law. I found this out the hard way when I tried to apply for PFML last year while working at Boeing under IAM. The ESD website actually rejected my application and mentioned the union exemption specifically. The IAM disability plan is ok for medical stuff but honestly not as good for family leave compared to the state program IMO.

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That sucks!! My sister works at Boeing too (not IAM tho) and she got the state PFML when she had her baby. Seems unfair that some Boeing employees get it and others don't???

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Felix Grigori

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As an IAM member at Boeing for 12 years, I can tell you that our short-term disability through the union covers 60% of your base pay for up to 26 weeks for your own medical conditions. The family leave portion is where it's lacking compared to state PFML - you only get up to 5 days paid for birth or adoption through the IAM contract. State PFML would give 12 weeks for that. It's one of the trade-offs with our contract - better pay and certain benefits, but definitely worse on the family leave side.

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Taylor To

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Only 5 days for new parents?? That's disappointing. Did IAM members ever vote on whether to join the state program or was this decided by union leadership?

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Felicity Bud

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This actually came up in our last contract negotiation. The IAM disability plan predates the state PFML program by decades. When WA created PFML in 2019, the law allowed existing CBA disability plans to be exempted. The Boeing contract wasn't specifically modified to opt out - it was grandfathered in as an exemption. I remember some talk about incorporating PFML in the next contract negotiation cycle, but I'm not holding my breath.

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Max Reyes

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THIS IS WHY I HATE THESE SYSTEMS!!! The state says everyone gets this benefit but then there's always fine print exceptions. Boeing workers pay the same taxes but get less benefits!!! And then when you try calling ESD to explain your situation, you can't even get through!!

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Wait, I don't think IAM members actually pay the PFML premiums that other WA workers do - that's part of the exemption. Boeing IAM folks don't have that deduction from their paychecks. At least that was my understanding when I worked there until 2023.

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Felix Grigori

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To answer your earlier question - IAM leadership negotiated this as part of the overall compensation package. It wasn't voted on as a separate item. The disability plan IS better for certain things - like it kicks in faster than PFML for medical leave and has fewer hoops to jump through for approval. But yeah, the parental leave portion is definitely lacking compared to state PFML.

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Kevin Bell

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does that really work? ive literally tried calling ESD like 20 times and never got through

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Taylor To

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Thank you all for the helpful information! It's disappointing about the family leave portion being so limited, but at least I understand the situation better now. Guess I'll need to adjust my plans and save up more PTO for when the baby comes.

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Adrian Connor

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My cousins worked at Boeing and he had some issue with his back and couldn't work for like 3 months. He said the IAM disability was actually pretty decent for that. Got checks pretty quickly without much hassle. But yeah the family stuff is bad. Good luck with the baby!

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Mohammed Khan

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As someone who went through this same situation when I started at Boeing IAM two years ago, I totally get your frustration! The family leave benefits are definitely the weak spot compared to state PFML. One thing that might help - you can potentially supplement the 5 days paid parental leave with vacation time and unpaid FMLA if you qualify. Also, if your partner works somewhere with state PFML coverage, they can take the full 12 weeks for bonding leave. It's not ideal having to navigate different systems, but there are ways to make it work. Congrats on the upcoming baby!

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Ethan Brown

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Thanks for the suggestion about using FMLA to supplement! I hadn't thought about that option. Unfortunately my partner is self-employed so no PFML there either. Do you know if there's a minimum time you have to work at Boeing before you qualify for FMLA? I just started a few weeks ago so I'm wondering if I'll even be eligible by the time the baby arrives.

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