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Sebastian Scott

Can you collect unemployment if you are fired after FMLA in Washington?

I just got terminated three days after returning from FMLA leave and I'm wondering if I can still file for Washington ESD unemployment benefits. My employer said it was for 'performance issues' but the timing seems really suspicious since I was out for 8 weeks taking care of my newborn. I thought FMLA was supposed to protect your job? Has anyone dealt with this situation before? I'm not sure if being fired after medical leave affects my eligibility for UI benefits.

Yes, you can absolutely file for unemployment benefits even if you were fired after FMLA. The key thing is whether the termination was for 'misconduct' - and employer retaliation for taking protected leave definitely doesn't qualify as misconduct. File your claim immediately on the Washington ESD website.

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Thank you! I was worried they could deny me because technically I was 'fired for cause' according to my termination letter.

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The termination letter doesn't determine UI eligibility - Washington ESD will investigate and make their own determination based on the facts.

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File ASAP and also document everything about your FMLA leave and the termination. This sounds like potential retaliation which is illegal. You might want to contact an employment attorney too.

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I kept all my FMLA paperwork and the termination happened literally 3 days after I got back. Pretty obvious timing.

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I had something similar happen and Washington ESD approved my benefits. The employer contested it but I won the hearing because they couldn't prove actual misconduct. Getting fired after protected leave is usually considered wrongful termination for UI purposes.

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How long did the whole process take? I'm stressed about money with a new baby and all.

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It took about 6 weeks total including the hearing, but I got backpay for the whole period once it was approved.

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Honestly, trying to reach Washington ESD to ask questions about this kind of situation is nearly impossible. I spent weeks calling and never got through. I ended up using Claimyr (claimyr.com) which actually got me connected to a real person who could explain how FMLA terminations are handled for UI eligibility. There's a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows how it works.

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Never heard of that service before but might be worth it if you can't get through the normal way.

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Yeah it saved me so much frustration. The agent explained that FMLA retaliation cases are usually approved for benefits.

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This is exactly why I'm scared to take FMLA leave even though I need it. Employers find ways around the protection.

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Don't let fear stop you from taking protected leave. If they retaliate, you have legal recourse AND unemployment benefits.

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I wish I had known this could happen but I still would have taken the leave. My baby needed me.

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Make sure you keep detailed records of your performance reviews before FMLA vs what they're claiming now. If your performance was fine before leave, that strengthens your case that the firing was retaliation.

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Good point - I had satisfactory reviews all year until suddenly I'm fired for 'performance' three days back from leave.

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When you file your Washington ESD claim, make sure to mention the FMLA leave and the timing of the termination in your application. Don't just put 'fired' - give context.

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Should I mention potential retaliation directly or just state the facts about the timing?

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Just state the facts - that you returned from FMLA leave on X date and were terminated on Y date. Let Washington ESD draw their own conclusions.

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ugh the whole system is rigged against working parents. sorry this happened to you OP

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Thanks, it really does feel like being punished for having a family.

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One more thing - if your employer contests your unemployment claim (which they probably will), don't panic. These FMLA retaliation cases usually go in favor of the employee because the burden is on the employer to prove legitimate misconduct.

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That's reassuring. I'm already expecting them to fight it since they're clearly trying to avoid legal trouble.

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Exactly what happened in my case. They contested but couldn't provide any documentation of actual performance issues.

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Document everything NOW while it's fresh in your memory. Write down dates, conversations, who said what. This will be important for both your UI claim and any potential legal action.

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Already started a timeline of events. The more I write down, the more obvious the retaliation becomes.

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How soon after FMLA can they legally fire you? Is there like a waiting period or something?

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There's no specific waiting period, but firing someone immediately after FMLA return creates a strong presumption of retaliation.

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Three days is pretty damning evidence that it wasn't about legitimate performance issues.

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Update: I filed my Washington ESD claim online and it went through without any immediate issues. Now I'm just waiting to see if they'll contest it. Thanks everyone for the advice and support.

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Good luck! Keep us posted on how it goes.

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You did the right thing filing quickly. The sooner you file, the sooner you can start receiving benefits if approved.

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If you need to talk to someone at Washington ESD about your specific situation, definitely consider that Claimyr service I mentioned earlier. They were super helpful when I had questions about my contested claim.

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I might need that if this gets complicated. Thanks for sharing the option.

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Also consider filing a complaint with the Department of Labor about the FMLA retaliation. It's a separate issue from unemployment but worth pursuing.

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I didn't know you could do that. Is there a time limit for filing those complaints?

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I think it's within 2 years but you should check the DOL website for exact requirements.

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this whole thread is making me realize how many employers probably get away with this stuff when people don't know their rights

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That's exactly why it's important to share information like this. Knowledge is power when dealing with employer retaliation.

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Make sure you're also keeping track of your job search activities once you start receiving benefits. Washington ESD has specific requirements for work search that you'll need to meet.

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Good reminder - I'll need to start applying for jobs even while dealing with this legal mess.

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One last tip - if you do end up needing a hearing, don't try to represent yourself if the employer brings a lawyer. The state provides free legal aid for unemployment hearings in some cases.

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That's really good to know. This whole situation is overwhelming enough without trying to handle legal stuff alone.

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thanks for sharing your situation OP, this thread has been really educational about FMLA rights and unemployment eligibility

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Glad it could help others even though I wish I didn't have to deal with this situation.

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Really hoping this works out for you. Employers who pull this kind of retaliation need to face consequences, both legally and financially.

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Thanks for all the support everyone. I'll update this thread once I know more about my claim status.

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Just want to mention again that if anyone else is having trouble reaching Washington ESD about complex situations like this, Claimyr really does make it easier to get through to someone who can help. Worth checking out their demo video to see how it works.

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I bookmarked that link for future reference. Never know when you might need to actually talk to someone at Washington ESD.

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I'm really sorry this happened to you, Sebastian. As someone who's been through a similar situation, I can tell you that getting fired right after FMLA is a huge red flag for retaliation. The timing alone makes it really hard for employers to justify it as legitimate performance issues. You absolutely should be eligible for unemployment benefits - Washington ESD typically sides with employees in these clear-cut retaliation cases. Make sure you keep copies of all your FMLA paperwork and any performance reviews you had before taking leave. The contrast between your pre-leave performance and their sudden "performance issues" claim will be important evidence. Stay strong and don't let them intimidate you!

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Thank you so much for the encouragement, Kendrick. It really helps to hear from someone who's been through this. I do have all my FMLA paperwork and my last performance review from 4 months ago was "meets expectations" across the board. The sudden shift to "performance issues" after 8 weeks of leave is pretty suspicious timing. I'm trying to stay positive but it's scary dealing with this while also adjusting to life with a newborn.

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That "meets expectations" review from just 4 months ago is going to be crucial evidence in your favor. The fact that your performance was fine right up until you took FMLA leave really strengthens your case. I know it's overwhelming with a new baby, but you're doing the right thing by fighting this. Employers count on people being too stressed or intimidated to push back, but you have solid legal protections here. Document everything and don't let them gaslight you into thinking this is legitimate.

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This whole situation is so infuriating but unfortunately not uncommon. I've seen this exact pattern happen to several people - perfect timing right after FMLA return with suddenly manufactured "performance issues." The good news is that Washington ESD investigators are pretty experienced at spotting this kind of retaliation. Your documentation sounds solid, and the timing alone is going to be very difficult for your employer to explain away. Just remember that even if they contest your claim, you're in a strong position. Hang in there - you shouldn't have to choose between taking care of your family and keeping your job.

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I went through almost the exact same thing two years ago - fired 5 days after returning from maternity leave for alleged "performance issues" that were never mentioned before I left. Washington ESD approved my claim and my former employer's contest was denied at the hearing. The administrative law judge basically said the timing was too suspicious and they couldn't provide any evidence of actual performance problems prior to my leave. It took about 8 weeks total but I got full benefits plus backpay. The stress was awful with a new baby, but don't let them intimidate you - this kind of retaliation is exactly what unemployment insurance is designed to protect against. Your case sounds even stronger than mine was since you were only out 3 days before they fired you. Stay strong and keep fighting!

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This is so reassuring to hear from someone who went through the exact same thing! The timing in your case (5 days) and mine (3 days) is almost identical - it's like they don't even try to hide the retaliation anymore. I'm definitely feeling stressed about the whole process, especially with everything else going on with the new baby, but hearing that you got approved and won the hearing gives me hope. Did you have a lawyer for the hearing or did you represent yourself? I'm trying to figure out if I need to start looking for legal help now or wait to see what happens with the initial claim.

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