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So im kinda confused about this whole thing. If you attended the appointment the next day why are they punishing you? That seems so unfair. Did you try to explain to them that you went the next day? Also what is WorkSource exactly? Do I need to do those appointments too? Ive been on unempoyment for 3 weeks now.

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WorkSource appointments are part of the job search requirements for receiving unemployment benefits. Some claimants are selected for mandatory WorkSource participation, which means you must attend scheduled appointments or workshops. If you've been claiming for 3 weeks but haven't been notified about WorkSource appointments, you might not have been selected for mandatory participation. However, you still need to complete 3 job search activities each week and document them. And yes, it might seem strict, but the system is designed to enforce compliance with exact appointment dates. Even attending a day late is technically a violation of the requirements.

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this happened too me to except they didnt let me resechedule and i lost a whole month of benifits not just one week!! your lucky its only one week. i think its better to miss filling a weekly claim than to miss a worksource appt becaus at least with missed weekly claim u can backdate it somtimes but missed appt is automatic disqualifcation for that week

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Wow, losing a whole month is awful! I'm so sorry that happened to you. You're right that I should be grateful it's just one week. I'll definitely be triple-checking all my WorkSource appointments from now on.

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One important thing to note: if your Offer of Compromise is accepted, the forgiven amount may be reported to the IRS as income. Just something to be prepared for if you get a significant reduction.

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Seriously??? So not only do they demand money back from years ago, but then if they reduce it they TAX you on the reduction?! This whole system is so messed up!

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I just submitted my Offer of Compromise today. I offered to pay 35% immediately if they'll forgive the rest. I included everything - bank statements showing my minimal savings, documentation of my rent increase, medical bills, the whole financial disaster of my life laid bare. Now I just have to wait and see if they'll accept it. I'll update this thread when I hear back in case it helps anyone else in the same situation. Thanks everyone for your advice.

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Good luck! The waiting is hard but try not to stress too much. In my experience, they're actually reasonable if you've provided good documentation. One tip: if you don't hear anything after 4 weeks, call them for a status update. Sometimes applications need a little nudge to keep moving through their system.

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hows your financial situation while waiting? have u contacted DSHS? when i was waiting for my UI i got emergency assistance thru them, might be worth checking out

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I hadn't thought about DSHS, that's a good idea. I'm getting by on savings right now but they won't last forever. I'll look into that tomorrow, thanks for the suggestion!

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Has there been any update on your case? I'm curious if the adjudicator has reached out yet.

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Yes! The adjudicator called me yesterday morning. We had a 30-minute interview where I explained my situation and all my documentation. They said they'd be contacting my employer next and I should have a decision within 5-7 business days. Fingers crossed it goes in my favor! Thanks for checking in.

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That's great news! The fact that they've already conducted your interview is a positive sign. The hardship escalation definitely helped speed things up. Keep us posted on the outcome when you hear back.

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To directly answer your question: Yes, you can definitely join by phone, and yes, you can leave early. The phone option works through their Webex system - when you dial in, you'll need to enter the meeting number followed by the # sign. For your job search log, make sure to document: - The exact name of the job fair - The date and time you attended - Names of at least 3 employers you interacted with - Any positions you expressed interest in This detailed documentation is important in case ESD has questions about your job search activities later. Since these virtual job fairs count as multiple job search activities, it's worth making the effort to attend even if only for the first hour.

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Thank you for the detailed instructions! I'll make sure to write down all that information for my log. Really appreciate knowing exactly what I need to document.

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btw when ur there make sure u talk to the healthcare companies they seemed to have the most actual jobs vs just collecting resumes

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Thanks for the tip! I'll definitely prioritize those booths during my limited time there.

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Make sure you're super clear on your appeal form about why this is wrong. When I had my hearing with the Administrative Law Judge, they specifically asked why I didn't respond to the original notice years ago. Have your answer ready - in your case, that your benefits were exhausted so you reasonably believed no response was needed. Also keep in mind that for the current disqualification, you'll need to address the performance standards issue separately. That's often a difficult basis for approval unless you can show it wasn't your fault or there were mitigating circumstances. The old paperwork issue might be resolved, but you'll still need to overcome the performance-based termination.

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That's a really good point about the performance standards issue. The metrics they used were only introduced 2 weeks before I was let go, and nobody in my department was hitting them. I have emails showing that. Should I include those in my appeal too?

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Absolutely include those emails about the new metrics! That's exactly the kind of evidence that can help overcome a performance-based disqualification. If you can show the standards were unreasonable or that you weren't given adequate time/training to meet them, you have a much stronger case. For the appeal process, submit both issues: 1) The training benefits form from 2018 was not responded to because benefits were exhausted, and 2) The performance standards that led to your termination were newly implemented with insufficient time to adapt. Make copies of EVERYTHING before you send it in.

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I can definitely show that. We got an email on March 2nd with the new metrics and I was let go on March 18th. Nobody received training on the new system either. I'll make sure to document all of this clearly. Thanks for all your help!

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pro tip: hit 4 then 2 then 1 then 3 in the phone menu. gets u to a different queue. worked for me last time

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I'll try that sequence tomorrow! At this point I'm willing to try anything.

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Just to follow up - did you get your standby issue resolved? If your employer has submitted the extension request, you should be able to see the updated standby end date in your eServices account under "Summary of Current Claim." If it's been more than 48 hours since they submitted it and you don't see the update, that would be a valid reason to call in as it might indicate a system issue.

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Thanks for checking back! I contacted my employer's HR department and they submitted the extension request yesterday. The standby date updated in my account this morning! Saved me hours of phone calls. Really appreciate the help from everyone here.

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I want to add one more important thing: when you file for UI after PFML, you'll need to report that you received PFML benefits when asked about other income during the application. This won't disqualify you, but you need to be honest about it. Also, your UI benefit amount will be calculated based on your highest-earning quarters in your base year, which should include your employment before being fired. So at least your benefit amount should still reflect your full-time wages.

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Thank you for this additional information. I'm making notes of all this so I don't make any mistakes when the time comes to apply. Do you know if I need to report any severance pay as well?

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Yes, absolutely report any severance pay. Depending on how it's paid out, it might affect your benefits for those weeks. If you got a lump sum, ESD may prorate it across several weeks. Always better to report everything and let them decide than to miss something and face an overpayment later!

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Just wanted to say your employer sounds AWFUL and I'm sorry you're dealing with this while pregnant. The stress is the last thing you need right now. This is why we need better worker protections in this country!! Companies get away with this garbage all the time because they know most people won't have the resources to fight back.

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Thank you for the sympathy! It really does feel terrible to be going through this during what should be an exciting time preparing for the baby. I'm trying to focus on one step at a time rather than getting overwhelmed by everything.

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omg i used them too!! calling ESD is literally impossible otherwise

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Thanks for the tip! Hoping we won't need to call, but it's good to know there's an option if we get stuck. Those wait times are brutal.

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To directly answer your questions: 1. Yes, file normally: report zero hours/wages, available for work, and answer all questions as usual. 2. You don't need to do anything special since the claim has remained active throughout. 3. Since he maintained an active claim by continuously filing, there will be no waiting week. 4. Verify his union referral status is correctly showing in the system to avoid job search requirements. 5. Payment should process normally as long as there are no new issues with the claim. The key is that by continuously filing even during periods of work, you've maintained the claim's active status, which makes the transition back to receiving benefits seamless.

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Thank you for this clear breakdown! Very helpful to have everything summarized like this. We'll file tomorrow and hopefully everything goes smoothly.

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To answer your follow-up question - yes, you should file your UI claim immediately after your last day of work, even though you're receiving severance. ESD will determine when your benefits actually begin based on your severance amount. In my case, I received my severance as a lump sum payment. I reported this on my UI application, and ESD essentially "allocated" that payment across several weeks (dividing the total by my weekly wage). My actual UI payments began once that period ended. But by filing immediately, I established my claim and didn't lose any potential benefit weeks. Regarding the language in the agreement - it's definitely worth asking HR to change it, but if they refuse, I'd probably still sign for the severance money. Just be completely honest with ESD about the real circumstances of your separation when you file. In most cases, ESD recognizes these corporate tactics.

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This is incredibly helpful! I'll definitely file right away then, even with the severance coming. My exit meeting is tomorrow, so I'll try to negotiate that language and see what happens. Thank you!

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One more important note: When you have your exit meeting, try to get them to explicitly state the reason for your separation in writing. If they say it's due to "business needs," "reorganization," "position elimination," or similar terms, ask for that in an email or letter. This documentation will be valuable if there's any dispute about your UI eligibility. When you file your claim, you'll have the opportunity to explain the circumstances. Be clear that you were laid off but received severance with certain conditions. The ESD adjudicators are familiar with these situations and will look at the totality of circumstances, not just the language in a severance agreement. As others have mentioned, your severance may delay the start of your benefits, but it won't necessarily make you ineligible altogether. Make sure you're completing all your weekly claims during this time, even if you're not receiving payments yet.

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I'll definitely ask for the reason in writing. Would an email confirmation work, or should I ask for a formal letter? And good tip about continuing weekly claims even during the severance period - I wouldn't have known to do that.

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THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO CONFUSE YOU ON PURPOSE!!! They make it impossible to understand so you miss deadlines and they don't have to pay you. I had 5 different issues on my claim last year and every ESD person told me something different. They're trained to give you the runaround.

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While ESD certainly has systemic issues, what OP is experiencing is more likely a technical issue in the benefits system rather than an intentional barrier. Most claim specialists genuinely try to help, but they're limited by the aging computer systems that don't always display information correctly.

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Update: I finally got through to ESD this morning after trying for hours! The agent explained that the system glitched because I had multiple issues being processed at once. The disqualification was for a job separation issue, but I can't see the appeal option because the decision letter was just sent yesterday and hasn't updated in the system yet. The other adjudications are for separate weeks where I had reported some part-time hours. She said to watch my mail for the determination letter, which will have appeal instructions. Thanks everyone for the help and suggestions!

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Great news that you got through! When you receive that determination letter, make sure to file your appeal within the deadline (typically 30 days from the date on the letter). Include any supporting documents that address the separation issue. And definitely keep filing your weekly claims during the entire appeal process - if you win the appeal, you'll only get paid for weeks you properly claimed.

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