Working while taking survivor benefits at 66 - how much tax will I pay on $80k income?
I'm struggling to understand the tax implications of taking survivor benefits while still working. I'm currently 65 (turning 66 in February 2025) and lost my husband last year after 30 years of marriage. I work part-time but my income is substantial (around $80,000/year). My employer provides health insurance coverage. I'm trying to decide if I should claim survivor benefits now or wait. If I take the survivor benefit at my full retirement age, how much of it will be taxable given my income level? Will I end up losing most of it to taxes? Does anyone have experience with this specific situation? Any advice is appreciated!
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Chloe Robinson
I've been in a similar situation. With $80k income, up to 85% of your SS survivor benefits will likely be taxable at your regular income tax rate. When I first started collecting survivor benefits after my wife passed, I had around $75k income and about 85% of my benefits were subject to tax. But remember, taking survivor benefits at your FRA (which sounds like it's 66 in your case) means you get 100% of your husband's benefit amount. For me, it was still worth it even with the taxes because I could let my own retirement benefit continue to grow until 70. I used the service at claimyr.com to get through to an actual SSA agent to confirm all this - their video demo at https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU shows exactly how it works. Saved me hours of trying to get someone on the phone!
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Diego Chavez
•This is TOTALLY wrong advice! You need to wait until your FRA to collect survivor benefits WITHOUT reduction!! Earlier claim means permanent cut to benefits!!! She said she's turning 66 in February 2025 so she's NOT at FRA yet. The SSA website says if you take it even ONE MONTH early you lose a percentage FOREVER. Why are people always giving wrong information on here???
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NeonNebula
•Actually, the original poster asked about taking survivor benefits AT full retirement age, not before. Her question was specifically about taxation of benefits when combined with her $80k income. You're right that taking benefits before FRA would result in a reduction, but that wasn't what she was planning to do according to her post.
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Anastasia Kozlov
my husbnd died 2 yrs ago and i got surviver benefits. yes you will pay taxes if you make that much money. i only make about 30k and i still have to pay some tax on my ss. i think theres a formula on ssa.gov somewhere
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Omar Hassan
•Thanks for sharing your experience. I'll check the SSA website for that tax formula. Did you find it was still worthwhile to take the survivor benefits even with the tax implications?
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Sean Kelly
With an $80,000 income, your Social Security benefits will definitely be subject to taxation. Up to 85% of your benefits can be included in your taxable income. The exact amount depends on your "combined income" which is your adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + half of your Social Security benefits. If that exceeds $44,000 for married filing jointly or $34,000 for single filers, up to 85% of benefits are taxable. However, there's a potential strategy here: Since you're reaching your Full Retirement Age soon, you could claim survivor benefits at 66 and let your own retirement benefit grow until age 70. This would give you a 32% increase in your own benefit. Then at 70, you could switch to whichever benefit is higher. This strategy often makes financial sense even with the tax implications.
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Omar Hassan
•Thank you for explaining this so clearly. I hadn't thought about the strategy of switching benefits at 70. That makes a lot of sense - claim survivor benefits now at my FRA and let my own benefit grow. Is there any paperwork I need to specifically tell SSA that this is my plan?
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Sean Kelly
•Yes, you'll want to be very specific when you apply. Tell them you want to file a "restricted application" for survivor benefits only. Make it clear you are NOT filing for your own retirement benefits. It's best to do this in person at your local Social Security office if possible, as phone representatives sometimes get confused about this strategy. Bring your husband's death certificate and your marriage certificate to the appointment.
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Zara Mirza
I'm sorry for your loss. When my wife passed away I was in a similar situation. One thing nobody mentioned yet is that if you're still working full-time with health insurance, you might want to delay Medicare enrollment when you turn 65 to avoid paying premiums for coverage you already have. Just something else to consider with all these decisions!
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Luca Russo
•Good point about Medicare! But doesn't this depend on how many employees are at their company? I think if it's less than 20 employees, Medicare becomes primary at 65 even if you have employer coverage. At least that's what happened with my sister.
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Luca Russo
Have u considered waiting till 70 to get the highest possible benefit? My financial advisor said that's usually the best strategy for widows who are still working. You'd get an extra 8% per year from 66 to 70. That's what I'm doing.
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Omar Hassan
•I've been weighing my options. From what others have shared here, it sounds like I could take survivor benefits at my FRA (66) and then switch to my own retirement benefit at 70 if it would be higher. That way I get some benefit now while still allowing my own retirement benefit to grow. Did your financial advisor discuss that approach?
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Luca Russo
•Yes! That's exactly what my advisor recommended! Take whichever benefit is smaller first, then switch to the larger one later. Sorry I wasn't clear. In my case, my own benefit will be larger at 70 than my husband's would have been, so I'm taking survivor now and switching later.
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Sean Kelly
Regarding your original tax question: At an $80k income level, you'll likely pay your normal tax rate on 85% of your Social Security benefits. If you're in the 22% federal tax bracket, that means effectively about 18.7% of your total benefit goes to federal taxes (22% of 85%). State taxes vary depending on where you live - some states don't tax Social Security at all. The benefit amount itself will be based on your husband's primary insurance amount (PIA) if you claim at your full retirement age. If he already started benefits before passing, it gets more complicated and depends on when he started receiving them.
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Omar Hassan
•Thank you for breaking down the tax calculation. My husband hadn't started taking his benefits yet when he passed. I live in a state that doesn't tax Social Security, so I'd just need to account for the federal taxes. That helps with my planning.
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Anastasia Kozlov
dont forget that survivor benefits and retirement r different things! my sister thought they were the same and got confused when applying
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Omar Hassan
•That's a good point - I need to be very clear about which benefit I'm applying for. Did your sister have any issues getting things corrected?
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Anastasia Kozlov
•yes she had to make 3 trips to the ssa office because they kept getting it wrong! make sure u bring ALL your paperwork and be very specific about what your applying for
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NeonNebula
One important detail that hasn't been mentioned yet: When you reach your Full Retirement Age (66 in your case), the earnings test no longer applies to survivor benefits. This means you can earn any amount without having your survivor benefit reduced. Before FRA, benefits are reduced if earnings exceed certain limits ($22,320 in 2025 with $1 reduction for every $2 over the limit). So while taxes will take a bite out of your benefits at your income level, at least you won't face the additional reduction from the earnings test once you reach 66 in February 2025.
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Omar Hassan
•That's very helpful information! So if I wait until I hit my FRA in February 2025 to apply, I won't have any reduction based on my earnings - just the normal taxation. That's definitely something to consider in my planning. Thank you!
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