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Will Social Security GPO reduce my benefits if my CalSTRS spouse dies before me?

I'm trying to understand how GPO will affect me in different scenarios with my wife's CalSTRS pension. Here's our situation: My wife has a CalSTRS pension that will pay about $7,400/month. We've selected the 100% beneficiary option, so if she passes before me, I'd receive the full $7,400/month from CalSTRS. My Social Security benefit will be around $2,304/month based on my own work record. I'm confused about how GPO works in this case. I understand it affects spousal/survivor Social Security benefits when someone gets a government pension, but: 1. While we're both alive, does GPO affect my own SS benefit at all since my wife has CalSTRS? 2. If my wife dies first, would I lose some/all of my Social Security because of GPO when I start receiving her CalSTRS pension? The CalSTRS website says GPO reduces Social Security spousal/widow benefits by 2/3 of the CalSTRS amount. So would I lose my entire $2,304 SS benefit if I'm getting $7,400 from CalSTRS as a survivor benefit? (since 2/3 of $7,400 is more than $2,304) I'm trying to plan our retirement and need to know if I'll actually have both income sources if something happens to my wife. Thanks for any help!

GPO only applies to SS spousal or widow(er) benefits based on your SPOUSE'S work record, not your OWN SS benefits that you earned. So your own $2,304 SS benefit isn't affected by GPO at all no matter what happens with your wife's CalSTRS pension. You'd keep getting your full SS amount even if she passes away and you start receiving her pension.

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That's a huge relief! I kept reading conflicting information online and got worried I'd lose my SS benefits entirely. So to confirm - even when I'm receiving her full CalSTRS pension as a survivor, I'll STILL get my full $2,304 Social Security?

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The previous commenter is correct. I went through something similar with my husband's federal pension and my Social Security. The Government Pension Offset (GPO) ONLY affects Social Security benefits that are based on someone else's work record. In your case: 1. Your $2,304 SS benefit is based on YOUR work record - GPO doesn't touch this 2. GPO would only matter if you were trying to claim a spousal or survivor benefit based on your WIFE'S Social Security record Since your wife is in CalSTRS, she likely doesn't have substantial SS credits anyway (many CalSTRS participants don't). So there wouldn't be much if any SS survivor benefit to claim from her record. You'll keep your full $2,304 SS benefit even after receiving her CalSTRS survivor pension. The two don't offset each other because your SS is your own earned benefit.

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This is mostly right but u should know that WEP could still apply to your own SS benefits if YOU ever worked in a job that didn't pay into SS. But that's different from GPO and it sounds like you worked in regular SS-covered jobs.

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I was super confused about this same issue!! The SSA explanation online is so confusing. I think what everyone's saying is right - GPO only affects benefits that would be based on someone else's record. If you're getting benefits based on YOUR work history, you're fine! This stuff is so complicated. I tried calling SSA 5 TIMES to get a straight answer about my situation (also with a state pension spouse) and could never get through. Hours on hold just to get disconnected! ARGH!!

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Lucas Bey

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I've been studying SS rules since 2017 when I retired from teaching, and the GPO/WEP confusion is RIDICULOUS. Let me try to make this 100% clear: 1. YOUR OWN Social Security from YOUR OWN work record = NOT affected by GPO (ever!) 2. YOUR WIFE'S CalSTRS pension = NOT affected by your situation at all 3. If your wife had enough Social Security credits (which many CalSTRS folks don't), you could be eligible for SS spousal benefits (while she's alive) or survivor benefits (after she passes). THESE benefits would be reduced by GPO. BUT - it sounds like you're only counting on your own SS benefit of $2,304. This is SAFE from GPO, period! Also worth noting - WEP is a different rule that reduces YOUR OWN benefit if YOU worked in non-SS-covered employment. Doesn't sound like that applies to you, only to your wife.

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Thank you so much for the clear explanation! You're right - I'm only concerned about my own SS benefit, and my wife never worked enough in SS-covered jobs to qualify for much SS on her own. So it sounds like I'll keep all of my $2,304 + get her CalSTRS pension if she passes before me. That's what I needed to know for our planning.

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my husband gets caLSTRS too and we went through all this confusion. the way i undersand it from our meeting with SSA: GPO = affects spousal/survivor benefits WEP = affects your own benefits if u had non-SS job sounds like no GPO for you since your using your own record. and no WEP since you didnt mention working for state government yourself. so you'll get your full SS + her calSTRS if she passes first. lucky you! we have a different issue cause my ss is tiny so we have to deal with GPO reducing what i can get from his record ugh

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It's crazy how it affects different couples so differently! The whole system feels designed to confuse people. Did you ever figure out if you'll get anything at all from your husband's record after GPO?

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One thing nobody mentioned - you need to get this in writing from the SSA. Don't just take our word for it. They have a form you can fill out to get a formal determination about how GPO/WEP will affect you. I can't remember what it's called but an SSA rep can tell you. Get the official answer before finalizing retirement plans.

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That's excellent advice. I should definitely get something official from SSA rather than just hoping I understand all this correctly. I'll look into what form I need to request that determination.

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My wife taught in Texas and i went thru all this!!! GPO is only for spousal benifits not ur own SS. But be careful cuz sometimes SSA workers dont even understand there own rules!!! When my wife died they tried to apply GPO to my own benifits until i showed them there OWN RULES!!!!

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This is sadly very true. I've encountered SSA employees who don't understand the difference between GPO and WEP. Always get a second opinion if something doesn't sound right, and ask to speak with a technical expert if possible. They have specialists who understand these complex rules better than the front-line staff.

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Lucas Bey

Would be good to check if your wife has any SS credits at all. Sometimes teachers work enough quarters in SS jobs before teaching to qualify for some small SS benefit. If she does, then GPO would reduce what you could get as a widower from HER record (not your own), but you'd still have your own $2,304 + her CalSTRS. The only potential loss would be any survivor benefit from her SS record, which is probably small or non-existent anyway.

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Just wanted to add that GPO is so frustrating for those of us affected by it. I worked as a teacher for 28 years and get a pension, but my husband had a great career with high SS earnings. When he passes, I'll only get a tiny fraction of what most widows would get from his record because of GPO. It feels so unfair that I'm punished for choosing a public service career!

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i know! its like they penalize teachers and public workers!! my friend who never worked gets MORE from her husband's ss than i will get with my 30 years of teaching just because her husband had ss and mine didnt. makes no sense!

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