Will I ever qualify for Social Security spousal benefits if my husband's SS benefits eventually exceed 2/3 of my teacher's pension (GPO question)?
I'm retiring from teaching next year and trying to understand how GPO (Government Pension Offset) will affect me long-term. My husband (who's 9 years older) will reach his FRA in a few months and qualify for about $3500/month in Social Security. Meanwhile, I'll get around $3000/month from my teacher's pension. I know that due to GPO, I'll initially get ZERO spousal benefits because my pension exceeds the 2/3 GPO reduction amount. But I'm wondering about the FUTURE: If my husband's Social Security keeps increasing with annual COLAs while my pension stays fixed at $3000, will I eventually qualify for some spousal benefits once his benefit grows high enough? Like, when his benefit minus the GPO reduction ($2000 = 2/3 of my pension) exceeds zero? Also, he's considering delaying until 70 for the 8% annual increases. Would that strategy help me eventually get some spousal benefits despite GPO? I don't have enough SS credits myself for WEP to be a factor right now, though I might try to work in SS-covered employment after retiring from teaching.
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Zoe Stavros
Yes, you could eventually qualify for spousal benefits if your husband's benefit grows high enough through COLAs. Here's how it works: The GPO reduction is 2/3 of your non-covered pension, which would be $2,000 (2/3 of $3,000). That $2,000 gets subtracted from any spousal benefit you'd normally receive. Spousal benefit at your FRA would normally be 50% of your husband's PIA. So if his benefit is $3,500, your unreduced spousal would be $1,750. Since $1,750 - $2,000 = -$250, you'd get nothing initially. But if his benefit increases through COLAs to, let's say, $4,100, then your potential spousal would be $2,050. After the $2,000 GPO reduction, you'd get $50/month. And yes, if he delays until 70, his benefit would be approximately 32% higher (around $4,620), making your potential spousal benefit $2,310. After GPO reduction, you'd get $310 monthly - definitely more substantial!
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Andre Moreau
•This is EXTREMELY helpful, thank you! I hadn't done the actual math on what his benefit might be at 70, but seeing that $310 figure gives me hope. Do you know if I'd automatically start receiving the spousal benefit once we cross that threshold, or would I need to apply again? I'm trying to time everything just right and not leave money on the table.
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Jamal Harris
my neighbor is a retired teacher and her husband gets social security and she doesn't get a DIME of his because of that stupid GPO rule its so unfair they should get rid of it!!! she worked for 35 years teaching kids and now gets nothing from ss even though she paid into it for some years too before becoming a teacher. don't know about your cola question but just wanted to say the whole system is broken imo
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Mei Chen
•I get your frustration but the GPO rule actually has a purpose. Without it, government employees who didn't pay into Social Security would get an unfair advantage over regular workers. It feels unfair when you're on the receiving end though. By the way, working longer in SS-covered employment could help the OP. If you get 30+ years of substantial earnings under Social Security, the WEP reduction decreases significantly. Might be worth looking into.
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Liam Sullivan
Your math checks out! I was in a similar situation with my husband's SS and my state pension. Our financial planner confirmed that once his benefit (after COLAs) reached a certain threshold, I would start receiving a small spousal benefit despite GPO. One important thing: you need to actually APPLY for spousal benefits. SSA won't automatically start sending them once you qualify. When my husband's benefit finally crossed that threshold after 5 years of COLAs, I had to go in and apply. They did give me 6 months of retroactive benefits, but I could have been collecting for nearly a year before I realized I needed to apply. And yes, him delaying until 70 would definitely help your situation faster than waiting for COLAs to slowly increase his benefit amount. Just make sure one of you is keeping track of when you cross that threshold!
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Amara Okafor
•thanks for the heads up about having to apply! i always assumed SS would just automatically adjust things like this. seems like they should if they know everything about your situation already. another example of govt bureaucracy making things complicated.
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CosmicCommander
Have you looked at survivor benefits? I think GPO applies there too but the math is different because survivor benefits are 100% of his benefit instead of 50%. So even with the GPO reduction, you might qualify for survivor benefits immediately if he passes before you (though I hope that's not for a very long time!
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Andre Moreau
•That's a good point about survivor benefits! I hadn't considered that aspect. Since survivor benefits would be 100% of his benefit instead of 50%, I might qualify for something even with the GPO reduction. That's at least somewhat comforting for long-term planning purposes, though as you said, hopefully not relevant for many years.
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Amara Okafor
try calling social security directly to get the exact answer about future cola increases. i've tried calling them for weeks about my own situation and can NEVER get through!! always busy or disconnected after waiting forever. so frustrating!
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Giovanni Colombo
•I had the same problem trying to reach SSA about my benefits calculation. After multiple failed attempts, I finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to an agent in about 15 minutes instead of waiting on hold for hours. There's a video showing how it works at https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. Saved me so much frustration. In your case, you definitely need to speak with an agent because GPO calculations can get complicated, especially with the future COLA question.
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Liam Sullivan
One more tip - keep a spreadsheet tracking your husband's benefit increases each year with COLAs and calculate when you'll hit that threshold. SSA won't notify you when you become eligible for a small spousal benefit. I'd recommend checking the calculation every January after new COLAs take effect. Also, if you do work after retiring from teaching, aim for at least 5 years with substantial earnings under Social Security. That won't eliminate WEP entirely if you later claim your own SS benefit, but it will significantly reduce the WEP penalty.
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Andre Moreau
•Creating a spreadsheet is a brilliant idea! I'll start tracking the numbers as soon as he files. And thanks for the tip about working 5+ years under Social Security - I was thinking of just doing a year or two, but maybe it's worth pushing for 5 years to reduce that WEP penalty if I ever do qualify for my own benefits.
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Giovanni Colombo
Sorry for the tangent, but does anyone know if the GPO amount ever gets recalculated if your pension amount changes? My wife will be in a similar situation with her state pension, but her system offers occasional one-time adjustments based on inflation (not annual COLAs). Would those pension increases mean recalculating the GPO reduction?
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Zoe Stavros
•Yes, if your wife's pension amount increases, SSA will recalculate the GPO reduction. GPO is always 2/3 of the current pension amount. If her pension gets a one-time adjustment for inflation, she should report it to SSA, as it will increase the GPO reduction and potentially reduce any spousal/survivor benefits she receives. Conversely, if for some reason her pension amount decreased, the GPO reduction would also decrease. SSA performs periodic checks on pension amounts, but it's best to report changes promptly to avoid potential overpayments.
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Mei Chen
I don't think anyone's mentioned this yet, but you should verify whether your teacher's pension includes any cost-of-living adjustments. Some state pension systems do provide small annual increases, though they're typically capped and not as generous as Social Security's COLAs. If your pension also increases over time (even slightly), that would affect the GPO calculation and potentially delay when you'd qualify for spousal benefits.
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Andre Moreau
•Good point! I checked my pension paperwork and we do get COLAs, but they're capped at 3% and don't compound like SS COLAs do. So my pension will grow more slowly than his SS benefit, especially if he delays until 70. Hopefully the difference in growth rates means I'll still eventually qualify for some spousal benefits despite both amounts increasing.
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