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Social Security filing strategy with WEP/GPO and spouse with higher benefit - best timing?

Looking for advice on our Social Security filing strategy. My situation is complicated by WEP/GPO since I worked as a teacher for 20 years. I'll receive about $1,875 monthly from my pension, but I do have enough SS credits that I'll still get some benefits after the WEP reduction. My husband has no pension but his projected SS benefit at FRA is around $2,800 - more than double what mine would be after WEP (about $1,200). We're both approaching our Full Retirement Ages (66 years, 8 months for me, 67 for him). I'm already retired, while he plans to stop working next April. Should I file at my FRA or let it grow until 70? Should he file at his FRA or delay? Does it make financial sense for either of us to file early? With the GPO reducing any spousal benefits I might get, I'm completely confused about the best strategy. Anyone dealt with optimizing SS benefits with WEP/GPO complications?

Have u looked at ur ssa statements online? my wife and i were in similar boat except she didnt have wep/gpo. best thing we did was both wait til 70. bigger checks for life plus survivor benefit is bigger too.

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Luca Bianchi

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Yes, I've checked our statements online. I'm just worried about the 'break-even' point if we both wait until 70. That's giving up 3-4 years of payments in hopes of living long enough to make it worthwhile. Did you calculate that before deciding to wait?

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Nia Harris

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Since your husband's benefit is significantly higher than yours, you should consider having him delay filing until 70 if possible. This will maximize his monthly benefit by 24% over his FRA amount (approximately $3,472 instead of $2,800). This is especially important because whichever of you lives longer will inherit the higher benefit amount as a survivor benefit. For your situation with WEP/GPO, the math is more complicated. Since your own SS benefit is already reduced by WEP, and any spousal benefit would be reduced by GPO (by approximately 2/3 of your pension amount), you might consider filing for your own benefit at FRA. Delaying your own benefit might not provide as much advantage due to these offsets. Have you had your WEP/GPO calculations officially determined by SSA? The exact reduction can significantly impact the optimal strategy.

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Luca Bianchi

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Thank you for this detailed explanation! I haven't had the official WEP/GPO calculation done yet. I've been using the online calculators but wasn't sure how accurate they are. Is this something I need to schedule an appointment at my local office for? And yes, the survivor benefit aspect is important - we hadn't fully considered that.

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Mateo Gonzalez

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My husband and I both claimed at 62 and we're happy we did. We've been enjoying the money for years while we're still healthy enough to travel. Nobody knows how long they'll live!!

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Aisha Ali

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This is TERRIBLE advice for someone with a WEP/GPO situation! With the higher earner having a $2,800 benefit, claiming early could cost them TENS OF THOUSANDS of dollars in lifetime benefits, especially considering survivor benefits. Please don't give generic advice without understanding the complexities of WEP/GPO cases.

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Ethan Moore

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im confused about something - if you get ur teacher pension does that mean you CANT get any spousal benefits at all from ur husbands record? my sister has wep but i dont think she knows about gpo

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Nia Harris

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The Government Pension Offset (GPO) doesn't necessarily eliminate spousal benefits entirely, but it reduces them by 2/3 of the pension amount. So if the OP receives a $1,875 pension, the GPO reduction would be approximately $1,250. If her spousal benefit would be less than that amount, then effectively she wouldn't receive a spousal benefit. Your sister should definitely check into this if she has a non-covered pension!

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Yuki Nakamura

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I had a similar situation - retired teacher with WEP/GPO and husband with higher benefit. We found it was best for me to file at FRA and him to wait until 70. That way we had some income coming in sooner, but also maximized his benefit which will become my survivor benefit if he passes first. The WEP/GPO rules are SO frustrating! I worked 25 years as a teacher and lose so much of what I should have gotten from Social Security.

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Aisha Ali

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This is actually pretty good advice. With WEP/GPO situations, the standard "wait until 70" advice often doesn't apply to the person affected by these provisions. The reduction formulas make the delayed retirement credits less valuable for the WEP-affected person.

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StarSurfer

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Luca Bianchi

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Thanks for the suggestion! I've been trying to reach someone at SSA for weeks. The hold times are ridiculous, and I keep getting disconnected. I'll check out that service.

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does ur hubby know if hes gettin ss disability? my buddy got that and it turned into his regular ss when he hit fra

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Luca Bianchi

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No, my husband isn't on disability - he's been working full-time and is just planning his regular retirement. But thanks for mentioning this option.

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Aisha Ali

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Since you're subject to both WEP and GPO, your decision-making process is quite different from standard advice. Here's what you should consider: 1. Your husband should almost certainly delay until 70 to maximize his benefit (and consequently, your potential survivor benefit). 2. For your own benefit, the WEP reduction (which is capped if you have 20+ years of substantial earnings under Social Security) means delayed retirement credits may not be as valuable to you. 3. GPO will reduce any spousal benefit by 2/3 of your pension amount. With a $1,875 pension, that's a reduction of approximately $1,250. 4. The optimal strategy typically has the lower-earner with WEP/GPO claiming at FRA or even earlier in some cases, while the higher earner without these reductions delays to 70. Did you know that WEP reductions are lessened if you have 20+ years of substantial earnings covered by Social Security? How many years of SS-covered substantial earnings do you have?

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Luca Bianchi

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This is incredibly helpful! I have exactly 22 years of substantial earnings under Social Security in addition to my teaching career. I didn't realize the WEP reduction would be lessened because of that. Does that change your recommendation at all?

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Nia Harris

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With 22 years of substantial earnings, your WEP reduction is less severe than someone with fewer years. For each year over 20, the WEP reduction decreases by 5%. So at 22 years, your reduction would be 10% less than the maximum WEP penalty. This strengthens the case for you to consider filing at your FRA, while your husband should still likely delay until 70. The reduced WEP penalty makes your own benefit more valuable, but the GPO will still significantly impact any spousal benefits. I'd strongly recommend scheduling an appointment with SSA to get precise calculations of your benefits under different filing scenarios. These provisions create complexities that are difficult to estimate without official calculations.

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Luca Bianchi

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Thank you! I'll definitely schedule that appointment with SSA. It seems like I really need their specific calculations to make the best decision.

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Ethan Moore

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i heard somewhere that wep and gpo might get eliminated soon has anyone else heard this?

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Aisha Ali

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There are always bills proposed to modify or eliminate WEP and GPO, but none have passed despite decades of attempts. The Social Security Fairness Act has been introduced in multiple sessions of Congress but has never been enacted. I wouldn't make planning decisions based on potential legislative changes - work with the current rules instead.

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Yuki Nakamura

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One other thing to consider - if your husband plans to keep working until next April but is reaching FRA before then, make sure he understands the earnings limit doesn't apply once he reaches FRA. My husband didn't realize this and unnecessarily delayed filing for a few months thinking he'd be penalized for his income. Just wanted to mention that in case it's relevant to your situation!

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Luca Bianchi

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That's a great point! His FRA is actually in August of next year, and he's planning to work through April, so there will be some overlap. I'll make sure he understands how the earnings limit works during those months. Thank you!

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