Social Security survivor benefits for ex-spouse who took SS early - how will this affect my benefits?
I'm trying to understand my options for survivor benefits as a divorced person. My ex-husband and I were married for 17 years before divorcing, and I never remarried. He's 72 now (8 years older than me) and started collecting his Social Security early at 64. I'm 64, still working, and haven't filed for my benefits yet. If he passes away before me, would I be eligible for survivor benefits as his ex-spouse? And would those benefits be based on what he's actually receiving now (reduced for early filing) or what he would have received at his full retirement age? Also, is there any way for me to find out his Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) or what he's currently collecting? The SSA website isn't clear on this. One more question - if I start collecting my own SS at 65 and then he dies when I'm 68 or 69, would my survivor benefit amount be lower than if I had waited until my full retirement age (67) to start my own benefits? Thank you for any help understanding this confusing situation!
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Mateo Sanchez
Yes, you would be eligible for survivor benefits as a divorced spouse since you were married more than 10 years and you haven't remarried. As for the amount, you would receive what your ex-husband was actually receiving at the time of his death (including any reductions for early filing), not what he would have received at FRA. Regarding finding out his PIA or current benefit amount - unfortunately, the SSA won't disclose this information to you while he's alive due to privacy regulations. You'll only know the amount if/when you apply for survivor benefits after his passing. For your last question - starting your own benefits early won't affect the actual survivor benefit amount you'd be entitled to. However, when you're receiving your own benefits and then become eligible for survivor benefits, the SSA will essentially pay you the higher of the two amounts, not both. So if your reduced retirement benefit is lower than the survivor benefit, you'll get a combination that equals the survivor amount.
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Nia Wilson
•Thank you for the clear explanation! So just to make sure I understand - if his current benefit is $2,100/month (reduced because he took it early), and I become eligible for survivor benefits, I would get $2,100 not what he would have received if he had waited until FRA? And if my own benefit at 65 is $1,800/month, and then he passes away, I would get an additional $300/month to bring me up to the $2,100 survivor benefit? Am I understanding that correctly?
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Aisha Mahmood
I went through something similar with my ex. we were married 12 yrs and he claimed at 62. the SSA told me I can't get any info on what he gets now, privacy rules or something. realy frustrating since we have a kid together but whatever. And ya the survivor benefit is what there getting when they die not what they would of got at FRA.
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Nia Wilson
•It is frustrating! I wish there was some way to at least get an estimate to help with financial planning. Do you know if there's a minimum percentage they guarantee for survivor benefits based on the deceased's FRA amount?
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Ethan Clark
You have some good questions about survivor benefits as a divorced spouse. Let me provide some additional clarity: 1. Yes, you will be eligible for survivor benefits based on your ex-husband's record since you were married over 10 years and haven't remarried. 2. The survivor benefit amount would be based on what he was actually receiving, including the reduction for claiming early. This is different from divorced spousal benefits while he's alive, which are based on his PIA. 3. For finding out his benefit amount - Social Security won't disclose this while he's alive. However, when planning, you can estimate by knowing that filing at 64 means he received approximately 86.7% of his PIA. 4. Regarding your own benefits: Starting your retirement benefit early won't directly reduce your survivor benefit. However, when you're eligible for both, you'll receive the higher of the two amounts, not both combined. One important strategy consideration: If your ex-husband passes away, you could potentially: - Take your reduced retirement at 65 - Then switch to survivors benefits at your FRA (67) - Or take survivor benefits immediately and switch to your own retirement at 70 The optimal strategy depends on which benefit will ultimately be larger.
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Nia Wilson
•This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I didn't realize I might be able to switch between benefits. So I could potentially take survivor benefits first and then switch to my own at 70 when they'd be higher due to delayed retirement credits? That's really good to know.
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AstroAce
my cousin was in this exact situation!! she took survivor benefits when her ex died (they were married 20+ years) and she got what he was actually getting not what he would have got at full retirement. The SSA agent told her that's just how the rules work. sucks because he took it at 62 so she got a pretty reduced amount!!
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Yuki Kobayashi
•That's not entirely accurate. For survivor benefits, there is sometimes a special minimum benefit called the RIB-LIM that can help in these situations. It's complex, but essentially it may provide a slightly higher amount than what the deceased was receiving if they claimed very early. Not all SSA agents explain this correctly.
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Carmen Vega
I've helped clients navigate this exact scenario. There's a provision called the RIB-LIM (Retirement Insurance Benefit Limitation) that might apply in your case. This can sometimes provide a higher survivor benefit than simply what your ex was receiving. If your ex-husband claimed significantly early (like at 64), the RIB-LIM might give you a survivor benefit that's more than what he was actually receiving, though still less than his full PIA. It's complicated but worth asking about specifically when the time comes. Also, don't overlook the potential strategy of claiming one benefit type first, then switching to the other later. For example, you could claim your own reduced retirement benefit at 65, then switch to survivor benefits at your FRA (67) if that would be higher. Or claim survivor benefits first, then switch to your own at 70 if your benefit with delayed credits would be higher. The optimal strategy depends on the relative values of each benefit. When you visit SSA, specifically ask about the RIB-LIM calculation and benefit switching strategies.
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Nia Wilson
•Thank you for mentioning the RIB-LIM provision! I'd never heard of that before. Is there somewhere I can read more about how that's calculated? It sounds like it might give me a slightly better benefit than I was expecting.
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Andre Rousseau
GOOD LUCK getting accurate info from SSA!! I spent 6 WEEKS trying to get a straight answer about my ex-spouse benefits. Called EVERY DAY and got disconnected or was on hold for HOURS!!! Every agent told me something different about what I could get. Total nightmare dealing with them!!!!
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Carmen Vega
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Nia Wilson
Thank you all for the helpful information! I'm going to try to schedule an appointment with SSA to discuss this further. I'll specifically ask about the RIB-LIM calculation and the potential strategies for switching between my own benefits and survivor benefits depending on which is higher at different ages. It's more complicated than I thought, but I feel better equipped now to ask the right questions.
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Aisha Mahmood
•make sure u ask specifically about rib-lim by name! my friend didn't and they just gave her the lower amount. when she went back with the right words suddenly they found more money for her lol. Also write down the name of who u talk to every time!!
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Yuki Kobayashi
Just a quick clarification that might help others reading this thread - the survivor benefit for a divorced spouse follows the same rules as for a current spouse, IF the marriage lasted at least 10 years. The key difference is that for a divorced spouse claiming survivor benefits, you can claim as early as age 60 regardless of whether your ex has filed for benefits or not (unlike spousal benefits while they're alive, which require the worker to have filed). Also worth noting that remarriage after 60 doesn't prevent you from claiming survivor benefits on your ex's record. This trips up a lot of people who think any remarriage would disqualify them.
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Nia Wilson
•That's really interesting about remarriage after 60 not affecting survivor benefits! I didn't know that at all. I'm not planning to remarry, but it's good information to have. Thank you for adding that clarification.
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