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Tyler Murphy

Social Security survivor benefits at 60 vs. my own retirement - confused about widow options

I lost my husband of 32 years last December and I'm trying to figure out my Social Security options as I approach 60. I understand I can claim survivor benefits at 60, but I'm confused about whether I can choose between his benefits or my own at that age. Can I actually start collecting my own retirement at 60 instead of his? Or am I required to take the survivor benefits first? I've worked most of my life but took several years off to raise our children, so my earnings record isn't as strong as his was. Someone at church told me I have to wait until 62 for my own benefits no matter what. The SS website is so confusing on this point! Any clarity would be greatly appreciated!

You have it almost right, but there's an important distinction. At age 60, you ONLY qualify for survivor benefits (at a reduced rate). You cannot take your own retirement benefits until 62 at the earliest. However, the good news is that you can employ a strategy: take reduced survivor benefits at 60, then switch to your own retirement benefit later if it would be higher (at 62, FRA, or even age 70 if you want maximum growth). This is one of the few remaining 'switch' strategies in Social Security.

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Thank you! So I have no choice at 60 - it has to be the survivor benefit. That makes sense now. If I take his reduced benefit at 60, and then switch to my own at my full retirement age (which is 67), would my own benefit still grow to its full amount? Or would it also be reduced because I took his early?

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I went through this EXACT situation last year!!! When I turned 60, I could ONLY get my late husband's benefit (and at a reduced amount - about 71.5% of what he would've gotten). You absolutely CANNOT get your own SS until 62 minimum. And let me tell you, the SS phone lines are IMPOSSIBLE to get through - took me 9 calls and 3 weeks to finally talk to someone who could explain it all to me!

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Was the reduced survivor benefit still worth taking at 60? I'm in a similar boat and trying to decide if I should just wait until I reach my full retirement age for the full survivor amount.

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When I was going through a similar situation trying to figure out widow benefits vs. my own, I was getting disconnected from Social Security constantly. I finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) and they got me connected to a real person at SSA in under 20 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. Totally worth it because the agent I spoke with explained all my options clearly - including that I could take reduced survivor benefits at 60, then switch to my own retirement benefit later if it would be higher.

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Did they charge you for that? Seems like something that should be free. The govt should fix their phone systems instead of making us pay extra just to talk to someone.

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Yes, there is a fee, but considering I had already spent hours trying to get through and kept getting disconnected, it was worth it to me. I agree the system should work better, but when you need answers quickly about something as important as widow benefits, it's nice to have options.

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The church person was correct. Survivor benefits can begin at 60 (or 50 if disabled), but your OWN retirement benefits cannot start until 62 at the earliest. This is a common point of confusion. What's powerful about your situation is that unlike regular retirement benefits where you must choose one filing strategy, as a widow you have the unique ability to separate your survivor claim from your own retirement claim. This means you could: 1. Take reduced survivor benefits at 60 2. Allow your own retirement benefit to grow until 70 if you wish 3. Switch to your own benefit whenever it exceeds the survivor benefit Or alternatively: 1. Wait to file for survivor benefits until your FRA to get 100% of your husband's benefit 2. Take your own reduced benefit at 62 3. Switch to the survivor benefit at your FRA It depends entirely on the specific benefit amounts in your case.

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Thank you for breaking it down so clearly. I think I understand my options better now. Is there a way to find out what the actual dollar amounts would be under different scenarios? I'd like to see the numbers before deciding when to file.

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Yes! Create a my Social Security account at ssa.gov and you can see your own estimated benefit amounts at different ages. For survivor benefit estimates, you'll need to contact SSA directly since those don't show up in your online account. Have your husband's SSN ready when you call.

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my sister made a big mistake with this!!! she took widows benifits at 60 not realizing how much it gets reduced. she only gets like $1,400 when she would have got $2,400 if she waited till her FRA!!! talk to a financial advisor before you do ANYTHING!!!

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While waiting until FRA does give you the maximum survivor benefit, taking it early isn't always a mistake. If she lives to average life expectancy, she'll likely collect more total dollars by taking reduced benefits for those extra years. Every situation is different - it depends on financial need, health/longevity expectations, and other income sources.

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The whole system is deliberately confusing! I swear the SSA makes these rules complicated on purpose so people mess up and get less money. When my husband died, I got so many different answers from different SSA employees. One told me I could get my own at 60, another said I had to wait. It's ridiculous how poorly trained their staff is.

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I've definitely found the information contradictory at times! Did you eventually figure out the right path for your situation?

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Yes, but only after talking to THREE different agents! The rules for widows are different than regular retirement and some agents don't even know the details. I ended up taking survivor benefits at 60 because I needed the income, but I'm planning to switch to my own at 67 since I worked enough years that my benefit will be higher by then.

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Another important detail: if you're still working at age 60 and claim survivor benefits, be aware of the earnings limit. In 2025, if you earn above approximately $22,750 (the exact amount gets adjusted annually), your survivor benefits will be reduced by $1 for every $2 you earn above that limit. This earnings test applies until you reach your FRA.

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Oh! I hadn't considered that. I do plan to keep working part-time. Is that earnings limit just for W-2 income or does it include things like rental property income and investments?

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The earnings test only applies to wages from employment or net earnings from self-employment. It does NOT count investment income, rental income, pensions, annuities, capital gains, or other government benefits. Only earnings from actually working count against you.

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widow benefits r so confusing i just turned 59 and trying to figure out what to do next year. good luck to you hope u figure it out

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Get ready for a ton of confusion! My best advice is to write down all your questions before calling SSA, and INSIST on talking to someone who specializes in survivor benefits. The regular agents sometimes don't know all the widow rules.

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I'm so sorry for your loss. I went through this same situation 3 years ago and the confusion is real! Just to add one more important point that I learned the hard way - when you do eventually switch from survivor benefits to your own retirement benefit, it's not automatic. You have to actively file for your own benefits when you're ready to make that switch. The SSA won't just automatically give you whichever is higher. I almost missed out on a higher benefit because I assumed they'd switch me automatically at my FRA. Make sure to check in with them periodically to see if your own benefit has grown to exceed the survivor benefit, especially if you continue working and adding to your earnings record.

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This is such an important point! I had no idea it wasn't automatic. So even if my own retirement benefit grows to be higher than the survivor benefit I'm receiving, Social Security won't just switch me over? I have to remember to apply for the switch myself? That seems like something they should at least send a reminder about, especially since many of us are dealing with grief and trying to navigate all this for the first time. Thank you for sharing this - I'll make sure to set myself reminders to check on this regularly!

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Tyler. Losing a spouse is incredibly difficult, and navigating Social Security on top of grief is overwhelming. You've gotten some excellent advice here already. Just to summarize the key points in case it helps: You're correct that at 60 you can ONLY take survivor benefits (reduced to about 71.5% of his full amount) - your own retirement benefits aren't available until 62. The beauty of being a widow is you can take survivor benefits at 60, then later switch to your own retirement benefit if it becomes higher. This switching ability is unique to survivors. Before making any decisions, I'd strongly recommend getting estimates of both benefit amounts at different ages so you can compare scenarios. The my Social Security website will show your own benefit projections, but you'll need to call SSA for survivor benefit estimates. Also consider whether you'll be working - there's an earnings limit that could reduce benefits if you earn over about $22,750 annually before your full retirement age. Take your time with this decision - there's no rush to file the moment you turn 60 if waiting might benefit you financially.

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This is such a helpful summary, thank you! You mentioned getting estimates for both benefit amounts - when I call SSA for the survivor benefit estimates, should I ask for projections at different claiming ages (like 60 vs full retirement age) to see the difference? And is there a specific department or type of specialist I should ask to speak with, or will any SSA representative be able to provide accurate survivor benefit calculations?

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Tyler. I went through this same situation about 4 years ago and the Social Security maze is truly overwhelming when you're already dealing with grief. Everyone here has given you excellent advice - you're absolutely right that at 60 you can only access survivor benefits (not your own retirement), but the key advantage is that as a widow, you have flexibility to optimize your claiming strategy over time. One thing I'd add that really helped me: before making any decisions, try to get a clear picture of your complete financial situation - not just the SS benefits, but any life insurance, retirement accounts, or other income sources. Sometimes the "optimal" Social Security strategy on paper might not be the right choice when you factor in your overall financial needs and timeline. Also, don't feel pressured to make this decision alone or quickly. While you CAN claim survivor benefits at 60, you don't HAVE to claim them right away if waiting would be better for your situation. Take the time you need to understand all your options - your future financial security is worth getting this right.

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Thank you so much, Jake. Your advice about looking at the complete financial picture really resonates with me. I've been so focused on just the Social Security piece that I hadn't fully considered how it fits with the life insurance payout and our retirement savings. You're right that the "optimal" SS strategy might not be the best overall approach depending on my other resources and immediate needs. It's reassuring to hear that I don't have to rush into claiming at 60 just because I can - I have some time to really think through what makes the most sense for my specific situation. The grief brain fog is real, so taking time to make thoughtful decisions rather than hasty ones seems wise.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Tyler. I lost my husband two years ago and went through this exact same confusion. The key thing that finally clicked for me was understanding that survivor benefits and your own retirement benefits are completely separate "buckets" - you can take one now and switch to the other later if it becomes more advantageous. One thing I wish someone had told me earlier: consider making an appointment at your local Social Security office rather than trying to handle this over the phone. I found the in-person representatives were much more knowledgeable about widow benefits and could walk through specific scenarios with me using actual numbers from both my record and my husband's. They can also help you understand exactly what your survivor benefit would be at 60 versus waiting until your FRA, which makes the decision much clearer. Also, if you do decide to take survivor benefits at 60, keep track of your own earnings record if you continue working - your own retirement benefit continues to grow until age 70, so you might find it becomes worth switching to later on. The representatives can help you set up a plan to review this periodically.

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Thank you for the suggestion about making an in-person appointment, Layla. I hadn't thought about going to the local office instead of dealing with the phone system that everyone seems to struggle with. Having someone walk through the actual numbers from both records sounds so much more helpful than trying to piece together information from different sources. Did you find there was much of a wait to get an appointment, or were they able to see you relatively quickly? I'm wondering if I should try to schedule something soon while I'm still processing all this information and have time to prepare my questions.

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I called my local Social Security office about 3 weeks ago to schedule an appointment and they were able to get me in within 10 days, which was much faster than I expected. I think the key is calling first thing in the morning when they open - I called right at 9 AM and got through pretty quickly. When you call, be specific that you need help with survivor benefits as a widow, not just general retirement planning. They seemed to prioritize those appointments differently. I'd definitely recommend scheduling sooner rather than later while you have the mental space to prepare good questions. Bring a list of specific scenarios you want them to run numbers on (like survivor benefits at 60 vs waiting, when your own benefit might exceed the survivor benefit, etc.). Having those concrete numbers made my decision so much clearer than all the general advice I'd been getting.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Tyler. As someone who works in retirement planning, I want to emphasize a few key points that might help clarify your situation. First, you're absolutely correct that at 60, survivor benefits are your only Social Security option - you cannot access your own retirement benefits until 62. However, the strategic advantage you have as a widow is significant: you can claim reduced survivor benefits at 60 (about 71.5% of your husband's full benefit) and then later switch to your own retirement benefit if it grows to be higher. This is one of the most valuable "do-over" strategies still available in Social Security. I'd strongly recommend getting concrete numbers before deciding - create a my Social Security account to see your own benefit projections, and call SSA for survivor benefit estimates at different claiming ages. Also consider your work plans, as the earnings test could reduce benefits if you earn over about $22,750 annually before your full retirement age. Remember, you don't have to claim survivor benefits the moment you turn 60 - take time to analyze what works best for your complete financial picture, including any life insurance or retirement savings. This decision will impact your financial security for decades, so it's worth taking the time to get it right.

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you Kai! As someone new to all of this, I really appreciate having a retirement planning professional weigh in. The "do-over" strategy concept makes so much sense when you put it that way - it's reassuring to know I'm not locked into whatever decision I make at 60. Your point about not having to claim the moment I turn 60 is something I hadn't fully considered. I've been thinking of it as "I turn 60, I have to decide" but you're right that I can take more time to analyze my complete financial picture. The earnings test threshold of $22,750 is also really important since I am planning to work part-time. I'll definitely set up that my Social Security account and get those concrete numbers before making any decisions. Thank you for emphasizing that this impacts decades of financial security - it helps me feel more justified in taking the time to really understand all my options rather than rushing into anything.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Tyler. Losing a spouse after 32 years is heartbreaking, and trying to navigate Social Security rules while grieving makes it even more overwhelming. You've received excellent advice here, and I want to add one perspective that might help: don't feel like you have to have everything figured out perfectly right now. The widow benefit rules actually give you more flexibility than most Social Security situations, which is both a blessing and a source of confusion. Here's what I'd suggest as next steps: 1) Set up your my Social Security account online to see your own retirement benefit projections, 2) Call SSA (or visit in person as others suggested) to get survivor benefit estimates, and 3) Consider meeting with a fee-only financial advisor who can help you model different scenarios with your complete financial picture. The most important thing to remember is that whatever decision you make at 60 doesn't have to be permanent - that switching ability is your safety net. Take the pressure off yourself to make the "perfect" choice and focus on making an informed decision that gives you financial security and peace of mind during this difficult time.

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Thank you for the compassionate advice, Keith. You're so right that the pressure to make the "perfect" decision has been overwhelming me. The idea of focusing on making an informed decision rather than a perfect one really helps shift my perspective. I appreciate your step-by-step approach - it makes this feel much more manageable. The reminder that I have that switching ability as a safety net is exactly what I needed to hear. I think I've been paralyzing myself trying to optimize everything when really I just need to make a solid, informed choice and know I can adjust later if needed. Your suggestion about a fee-only financial advisor is also something I hadn't considered, but it makes sense to get professional help looking at the bigger picture beyond just Social Security. Thank you for helping me feel less alone in this process.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Tyler. I went through this exact situation about 18 months ago when I lost my husband, and I completely understand the confusion you're experiencing. The Social Security rules for widows are complex, and even the representatives don't always explain them clearly. You've gotten some really excellent advice in this thread, but I wanted to share one practical tip that helped me tremendously: before you make any decisions, ask SSA to provide you with a written estimate of your survivor benefits at different claiming ages (60, your FRA, etc.) and keep those documents for your records. Sometimes the numbers they give you over the phone can vary depending on who you talk to, but having it in writing helped me feel more confident in my decision-making process. Also, I found it helpful to think about this decision in terms of your immediate needs versus long-term financial security. If you need income right away, taking reduced survivor benefits at 60 might be the right choice even if it's not mathematically "optimal" in the long run. Your emotional and financial well-being during this difficult transition matters too. Take your time with this decision - you don't have to figure everything out immediately. The flexibility to switch between survivor and retirement benefits later is a real advantage that gives you room to adapt as your situation changes.

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Thank you so much, Jacob. Your advice about getting written estimates is brilliant - I hadn't thought about the potential for different representatives to give me varying numbers over the phone. Having it in writing would definitely give me more confidence in the information I'm basing my decision on. Your point about balancing immediate needs versus long-term optimization really resonates with me too. I've been so focused on trying to maximize the total lifetime benefit that I hadn't fully considered what I might need for emotional and financial stability during this transition period. Sometimes the "mathematically optimal" choice isn't the right choice for your actual life circumstances. It's comforting to hear from someone who's been through this recently that taking time with the decision is okay, and that the flexibility to adapt later is a real safety net. Thank you for sharing your experience - it helps to know I'm not alone in finding this process overwhelming.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Tyler. Losing a spouse after so many years together is incredibly difficult, and having to navigate these complex Social Security decisions while grieving just adds to the burden. Everyone here has given you excellent advice, and I want to echo a few key points that might help: You're absolutely right that at 60, you can ONLY access survivor benefits - not your own retirement benefits until 62. But the silver lining is that as a widow, you have unique flexibility to optimize your benefits over time by potentially switching between survivor and retirement benefits. One thing I'd add is to be prepared for some frustration when dealing with Social Security - their phone system is notoriously difficult, and not all representatives are equally knowledgeable about widow benefits. Don't hesitate to hang up and call back if you get conflicting information, and consider scheduling an in-person appointment at your local office where the staff tends to be more experienced with complex situations like yours. Also remember that this decision, while important, doesn't have to be perfect. The switching ability gives you options to course-correct later based on how your situation evolves. Take the time you need to gather information and make an informed choice that gives you both financial security and peace of mind during this difficult transition.

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Thank you so much, Anna. Your advice about being prepared for frustration with the Social Security system is really helpful - I've already experienced some of that confusion just trying to research this online. It's good to know that hanging up and calling back for a different representative is an acceptable approach when I get conflicting information. I like your suggestion about scheduling an in-person appointment too, since several people here have mentioned that the local office staff tend to be more knowledgeable about complex widow situations. Your reminder that the decision doesn't have to be perfect really helps take some pressure off. I think I've been getting stuck in analysis paralysis trying to optimize everything, when really I just need to gather good information and make a solid choice knowing I can adjust later if needed. Thank you for the compassionate advice during such a difficult time.

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