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Multiple marriages complicating Social Security survivor benefits at 60 - need advice before SSA appointment

I'm heading to the SSA office next week (January 3, 2025) for my appointment and need to make sure I understand all my options with this complicated situation! I'll be turning 60 next week and trying to figure out what benefits I might qualify for now or in the future. My work history is minimal - I was a caregiver most of my life (raised 4 kids, then became stepmom to 3 more with special needs). Only worked part-time jobs where I earned between $11,000-$19,000 for most years, with just 3 years where I made about $24,000-$31,000. Here's where it gets complicated with marriages: - First marriage: 4 years (divorced decades ago) - Second marriage: 13 years before divorcing (ex is still working, high earner) - Current marriage: Going on 20 years in April, but husband is critically ill on palliative care My current husband has been on SSDI for nearly 4 years and transitions to regular Social Security next month at his FRA. His doctors don't expect him to live long, maybe months. He has minimal benefits because of his work limitations from a severe injury earlier in life. If I understand correctly, I don't qualify for anything right now at 60 except possibly widow's benefits if my current husband passes? Then at 62, I could take early retirement based on my small earnings record, possibly with spousal boost from current husband if he's still living. But here's where I'm confused - if my ex-husband (#2) dies before my current husband, do I wait? And if both pass away, can I eventually switch to the highest survivor benefit between them once I reach FRA? What specific questions should I ask the SSA rep to make sure I understand all my options?

You're asking exactly the right questions! This is complicated, but here's what you need to understand: 1. At 60, you can only claim survivor benefits if your current husband passes away. The benefit would be reduced to about 71.5% of what he receives. 2. You're right that at 62, you could take your own retirement benefits (reduced) potentially with a spousal supplement if your current husband is still living. 3. For ex-spouse #2, you need to have been married at least 10 years (which you were at 13 years) to qualify for divorced spouse benefits. You could potentially claim those at 62 (reduced) or wait until FRA for full amount. 4. The real strategy comes with survivor benefits: You can actually switch between benefits. So if both your current husband and ex-husband pass away, you can take whichever survivor benefit is higher. Be sure to ask the SSA rep about the "restricted application" strategy and how the timing of claiming affects your benefit amounts. Also ask about the impact of any future work earnings on benefits if you decide to work part-time.

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Thank you so much for this detailed response! I've been so confused trying to piece together information from different websites. Do you know if I need to bring anything special to prove my previous marriages? I have my divorce papers but they're packed away somewhere. And should I specifically ask about the "restricted application" by using those exact words?

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u should ask bout the survivor bene max cuz there's this thing called the RIB-LIM rule! my friend got dinged by this cuz she took benfit too early and then wen spouse died SSA did some complicated crap and she got less than expected. something about how they calculate FRA vs early filing. ask specifically!!!

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Oh no, I hadn't heard about the RIB-LIM rule at all! Thank you for mentioning this - I'll definitely ask about it. So confused by all these rules and calculations!

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I've been through something similar with multiple marriages and a disabled spouse. Here's what you NEED to ask about: 1. Request a benefits calculation printout for ALL potential benefits: your own record, current spouse, and ex-spouse. 2. Ask specifically about the impact of the RIB-LIM rule if you take your own benefit early and then later switch to a survivor benefit. 3. Find out exactly what documentation you need to prove all marriages/divorces. You definitely need divorce decrees for any ex-spouse benefits. 4. Ask about the "deemed filing" rules and how they might impact your situation. One strategy to consider: If your current husband passes away, you could take the reduced widow's benefit at 60, then at your FRA, switch to your ex-spouse benefit if it's higher. You have options to switch between survivor benefits. Also, has your current husband explored whether his SSDI payment will increase when he converts to regular Social Security? Sometimes there's a difference.

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This is extremely helpful! I didn't know I could request a benefits calculation for all potential scenarios - that would make this so much clearer. And good point about my husband's conversion from SSDI to regular retirement - I'll add that to my list of questions.

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Sorry your going through this. My husband died when I was 58 and the SSA gave me so much wrong info! Make sure you speak to a Technical Expert or Supervisor not just the first person at the window. And WRITE DOWN what they tell you with their name!

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I'm so sorry for your loss. Thank you for the tip about asking for a Technical Expert - I wouldn't have known to do that. Will definitely write everything down with names and badge numbers if possible.

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Oh wow, that's good to know! I already have an appointment scheduled thankfully, but if I need to follow up with questions later, this sounds helpful. The SSA hotline is notorious from what I've heard.

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you should ABSOLUTELY ask about the family maximum benefit rule. When I was in a similar situation with my terminally ill husband, nobody told me about this and it severely limited what I thought I would receive. Also, you mentioned being denied disability before - if your condition has worsened, you might want to consider reapplying as the rules change when you turn 60 (they use different medical-vocational guidelines). I'm so sorry about your husband's health situation.

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Thank you for bringing this up. I hadn't considered reapplying for disability, but you're right that my conditions have definitely gotten worse while caring for my husband. The family maximum benefit rule is something else I need to add to my list of questions.

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dont forget to bring ur marriage certificates and divorce papers!! they wont be able to tell u accurate info without those!! my sister went in 3 times before they could help her with ex spouse benefits bcuz she didnt have right paperwork

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This is excellent advice. For the appointment, you should bring: - Marriage certificates for all marriages - Divorce decrees for all divorces - Death certificates if applicable - Your birth certificate - Your Social Security card - Photo ID Without these documents, they may not be able to give you accurate calculations or properly document your marital history in their system.

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Something no one has mentioned yet: if your current husband passes away, you could take widow's benefits at 60 (reduced), then switch to your own retirement at 62 if higher, then potentially switch AGAIN to ex-spouse survivor benefits if ex-spouse #2 passes away and those benefits would be higher. This maximizing strategy is complex but could mean thousands more in benefits over your lifetime. Make sure to ask the SSA rep to explain all possible sequencing scenarios. And definitely mention the RIB-LIM rule specifically - not all reps are familiar with how it works unless you use the technical term.

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Thank you! I hadn't even considered this multi-switching strategy. This is why I'm so glad I asked here first before my appointment. I'm writing down all these scenarios and technical terms so I don't forget anything important during my meeting.

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