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Abigail Spencer

Social Security strategy for widow - collecting reduced retirement at 65 then survivor benefits at FRA

I just turned 65 and trying to navigate this complex widow situation with SS benefits. My late husband made about 2.5x what I earned over his career. I've scheduled a phone appointment with SSA for next week, but I'm so anxious about making the wrong decision! My current plan is to: - Start my OWN reduced retirement benefit on January 1, 2025 - Reduce my work hours to stay under the 2025 earnings limit (around $22,320 I think?) - When I reach my Full Retirement Age, switch to my husband's survivor benefits The timing works well because my husband's pension payments will end right as I reach FRA (that's how he selected the payment structure). So I'll need that additional income from the survivor benefits, but don't want to increase my work hours. Does this strategy maximize my benefits? Are there other options I'm not seeing? I've heard conflicting advice from friends and family. Some say take survivor benefits first, others say my plan makes sense. I'm worried about making a mistake that will cost me thousands over my lifetime. Thank you for any insights before my official SSA appointment!

You're actually on the right track with your strategy! This is one of those situations where taking your OWN reduced benefit at 65 and then switching to the survivor benefit at your FRA can make financial sense. Since survivor benefits reach their maximum at your FRA (unlike retirement benefits which max at 70), waiting until FRA for the survivor benefit while collecting something in the meantime is often optimal. Just make sure you're clear with SSA that you want to RESTRICT your application to ONLY your retirement benefits. Sometimes they automatically process both if you don't specifically tell them not to. Also, be prepared with your husband's death certificate and marriage certificate for the appointment - they'll need that info to have your survivor benefit ready in their system for when you switch later.

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Thank you so much for this reassurance! I've been so worried about making the wrong choice. I didn't know I needed to specifically tell them to restrict the application - that's exactly the kind of mistake I was afraid of making! I've got all the documents ready (death certificate, marriage certificate, my birth certificate, and his Social Security number). Should I also bring any proof of his earnings history? The SSA statements I've seen seem to underestimate what he actually made.

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This is EXACTLY what I tried to do but the SSA rep I got kept telling me I had to take BOTH benefits at once and couldn't do the strategy you're planning!!! I argued with them for 30 minutes showing them the info from the SSA website but they wouldn't budge. When I asked for a supervisor they put me on hold for 45 minutes and then I got disconnected. TYPICAL SSA incompetence!!! Don't let them push you around - your strategy IS allowed. Print out the rules from SSA.gov before your call to reference when they inevitably try to tell you wrong information.

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The same thing happened to me! I got 3 different answers from 3 different reps. So frustrating...

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You're mostly on the right track, but there's one thing you should double-check regarding the earnings limit. The annual limit for 2024 is $21,240, so 2025's limit will likely be around $22,000-$22,500. Keep in mind this earnings limit applies until the month you reach your Full Retirement Age, not just until the calendar year. Also, consider exactly how close your own benefit is to the survivor benefit. If the difference is relatively small, taking the survivor benefit first (reduced) and then switching to your own at 70 (maximized) might actually give you more lifetime benefits. It's a complex calculation that depends on your expected longevity. I recommend having them run the numbers both ways during your appointment.

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Thank you for that clarification about the earnings limit! That's a detail I would have missed. Regarding the benefit amounts - my husband's benefit would be much higher. From my estimates, my own reduced benefit at 65 would be around $1,750/month, while his full survivor benefit at my FRA would be approximately $3,100/month. If I were to wait until 70 for my own benefit, it would still only be about $2,450/month. That's why I was thinking of switching to the survivor benefit at FRA.

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What's ur FRA? If ur born in 1960 or later it's 67 not 66...lots of widow's miss that and it effects when they can switch benefits without reduction!

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Good point - I was born in 1959, so my FRA is 66 and 10 months. I'll be sure to wait exactly until that age before making the switch!

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I faced almost the exact same situation last year. I'm also a widow and started my reduced retirement at 64, planning to switch to survivor benefits at my FRA (66+6 months for me). The problem I had was actually getting through to someone who understood what I wanted to do. I called SSA for THREE WEEKS and couldn't get through—busy signals, disconnects, hours on hold only to be told wrong information. I eventually used this service called Claimyr that got me through to a real SSA person in about 20 minutes. Best decision ever! They have a demo video at https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU that shows how it works. They basically navigate the phone tree for you and call you when they have an agent on the line. Saved me so much frustration. When I finally got through, I made sure to specifically say "I want to RESTRICT my application to my retirement benefits only" like others have mentioned. The rep tried to tell me I had to apply for both, but I politely insisted she check with her technical expert, who confirmed my strategy was valid.

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Thank you for sharing your experience! It's helpful knowing someone else has successfully navigated this situation. I'll check out that Claimyr service if I have trouble getting through next week. I'm already nervous about the phone appointment - had to wait 6 weeks to get it scheduled!

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My aunt did something similar but she got confusion because she didn't understand what restricted application meant. Make sure you're talking about the right thing. Also survivor benefits aren't reduced the same way as regular benefits - they can be taken as early as age 60 but with reduction. Maybe consider taking survivors first then switch to your own at 70? Just an idea.

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Thanks for the suggestion! I considered that option too, but since my husband's benefit is significantly higher than mine would be even at age 70, it makes more sense for me to take my own reduced benefit first, then switch to the higher survivor benefit at FRA. Plus, as I mentioned, the timing works well with when my husband's pension ends.

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you know what nobody is mentioning? medicare! if ur turning 65 make sure u sign up for Medicare even if ur still working!

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Good catch! Yes, Medicare enrollment is a separate process from Social Security benefits. At 65, you should enroll in Medicare Parts A & B during your Initial Enrollment Period (which starts 3 months before your birth month and ends 3 months after) unless you're covered by a qualifying employer plan. If you miss this window, you could face lifetime penalties.

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One more thing - since you mentioned your late husband's pension ending when you reach FRA - if he worked for the government and didn't pay into Social Security (like some state or federal jobs), you should ask specifically about the Government Pension Offset (GPO) provision during your call. It could affect your survivor benefits if applicable, though it sounds like this was a regular private pension so probably not an issue.

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Fortunately this shouldn't be an issue - he worked for a private company his entire career and paid into Social Security the whole time. The pension was just structured with a limited time period rather than lifetime payments (higher monthly amount but for a fixed term). But I appreciate you mentioning it - there are so many special rules and exceptions!

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Don't forget about the family maximum limit! That can really mess up your expectations if multiple people are collecting on one record. Ask the rep specifically if the family maximum applies in your case.

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The family maximum typically won't be an issue for a widow with no dependent children also collecting benefits. Since the OP appears to be the only one collecting on her late husband's record, she should receive the full survivor benefit amount without reduction due to family maximum provisions.

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Your strategy sounds solid! As someone who recently went through a similar decision process, I'd suggest writing down your key questions beforehand so you don't forget anything during the call. Also, don't be surprised if you get pushback from the SSA rep - some aren't familiar with this strategy. One thing that helped me was asking for a written estimate of both scenarios (your plan vs. taking survivor benefits first) so I could compare the lifetime totals. The SSA can provide benefit estimates for different claiming strategies. Also, since you mentioned being anxious about the decision - remember that if something changes in your situation later, you generally have 12 months to withdraw your application and try a different approach (though you'd have to pay back any benefits received). It's not as permanent as it feels! Good luck with your appointment next week!

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