Confused about widow benefits - can I collect my own SS now and switch to deceased husband's higher benefit later?
My sister just lost her husband last week (he was 69) and I'm trying to help her navigate this awful situation. She's 66 and still working part-time at a dental office (about 24 hours weekly). Her husband's Social Security benefit was around $2,850/month while her own benefit would be roughly $1,900 if she claimed now. I've heard conflicting information about widow benefits. Someone told her she could claim her own retirement benefit now while still working and then switch to the higher survivor benefit later on. Is this actually possible? If she does wait to take the survivor benefit, does her late husband's benefit amount grow beyond just the annual COLA increases? Or would she be better off just taking the survivor benefit immediately? This is all so confusing and she's overwhelmed with grief right now. Any advice from those who've been through this would be really appreciated.
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PixelPioneer
First, I'm very sorry for your sister's loss. The strategy you're describing is actually possible. As a widow, she has options that married or divorced people don't have. Your sister can claim her own retirement benefit now and switch to the survivor benefit later, OR claim the survivor benefit now and switch to her own retirement benefit later (whichever makes more financial sense). This flexibility is unique to widow(er)s. If she waits to claim the survivor benefit, it does NOT grow beyond COLA adjustments. Unlike retirement benefits that grow with delayed retirement credits, survivor benefits max out at the deceased's full benefit amount (or what they were receiving at death). So waiting doesn't increase the base amount beyond inflation adjustments.
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Yara Abboud
•Thank you so much for explaining this. So it sounds like there's no advantage to waiting to claim the survivor benefit since it won't grow beyond inflation adjustments? Would you recommend she just take the survivor benefit now since it's significantly higher than her own?
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Keisha Williams
So sorry about your sister's husband! When my husband died 2 years ago, I was SO confused about all this too. The SSA people told me different things each time I called!! But I can tell you what worked for me - I kept my job and took the survivor benefits right away because they were higher than my own benefit. I didn't know you could switch back and forth!!! Is that really true?? I think the SSA reps don't even know all the rules sometimes. THEY NEED BETTER TRAINING!!!
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Paolo Rizzo
•yes its definitely true u can switch! my mom did this last year after my dad passed. the tricky part is doing what makes the most $$$ sense for ur situation
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Amina Sy
The best strategy depends on your sister's full retirement age (FRA) and whether she plans to continue working past age 70. If she claims her own benefit while working before her FRA, she'll be subject to the earnings test, which could reduce her benefits. If she's already at her FRA (66-67 depending on birth year), the earnings test no longer applies. Here's what I would consider: 1. If her own benefit at age 70 would be higher than her survivor benefit (after 4 years of 8% annual increases), she might want to take the survivor benefit now and switch to her own at 70. 2. If her survivor benefit will always be higher, she could take her own reduced benefit now (if she's still under FRA) and switch to the survivor benefit at her FRA when it's unreduced. This is definitely a case where she should schedule an appointment with SSA to review her options with her specific numbers and birth date.
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Oliver Fischer
•^^ This is the correct answer based on my experience. My wife passed 3 years ago and the decision depends on your sister's exact situation. The key is comparing what her own benefit would grow to at age 70 vs the survivor benefit. My own benefit with delayed credits ended up higher than my wife's, so I took survivor benefits first, then switched.
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Natasha Ivanova
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Yara Abboud
•Thank you for this recommendation! My sister has tried calling SSA twice already and couldn't get through. I'll definitely check out that service because she really needs to speak with someone who can look at her specific numbers.
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NebulaNomad
My neighbor works at the SS office and she says people mess this up ALL THE TIME! The thing nobody told me when my husband died is that you dont automatically get survivor benefits - you have to actually apply for them! And do it quickly because they only backpay for a limited time. Tell your sister to apply RIGHT AWAY even if she isn't sure what strategy to use yet.
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Amina Sy
•This is an important point. You only have 6 months for retroactive survivor benefits, unlike the 12 months for retirement benefits. And yes, you must apply - it's not automatic even if her husband was already receiving Social Security.
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Paolo Rizzo
I don't know about the switching back and forth thing but when I went through this they said if ur still working they subtract some of ur check. once I hit 'full retirement age' (mine was 66+8mo) I could earn whatever and they dont subtract anymore. ur sister's FRA depends on what year she was born.
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PixelPioneer
•You're referring to the earnings test, which applies to benefits taken before FRA. At 66, the sister may already be at her FRA (depends on birth year), in which case the earnings test wouldn't apply. But you're absolutely right that this is an important consideration if she's not yet at her FRA.
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Oliver Fischer
One thing to consider is that taxes might be different with survivor benefits vs her own retirement benefit. When I was getting survivor benefits after my husband died, I had to pay taxes on 85% of them because my other income was too high. It might be worth talking to a tax person too before deciding.
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Yara Abboud
•I hadn't even thought about the tax implications. That's a great point. She does have some investment income besides her part-time job, so this could definitely affect the calculation. I'll suggest she consult with her tax advisor as well.
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PixelPioneer
Since your sister is already 66, if she was born in 1957 or earlier, she's already at her full retirement age. This means: 1. She can take her own retirement benefit with no reduction (though it would continue growing if she waited until 70) 2. She can take the full survivor benefit with no reduction 3. The earnings test no longer applies, so her work income won't reduce either benefit In this case, the optimal strategy is likely to take the higher of the two benefits now. If her own benefit at age 70 would exceed the survivor benefit due to delayed retirement credits, she could take the survivor benefit now and switch to her own at 70. This is definitely a situation where she should get her exact numbers from SSA before deciding.
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Yara Abboud
•Thank you for breaking it down so clearly. She was born in 1958, so I think she's very close to her FRA. This is all extremely helpful information, and I'll help her set up an appointment with SSA to get her exact numbers. This forum has been incredibly helpful!
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