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Wait im confused...isnt SSI different from regular social security? Maybe the worker was talking about SSI which does have asset and income limits even after retirement age? Just wondering if there was a miscommunication about which program.

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Good point about potential confusion, but the OP clearly mentioned retirement benefits that started at age 65, which would be Social Security retirement (RSDI/Title II) not SSI (Title XVI). You're correct that SSI has strict income and asset limits at any age, but those rules don't apply to regular Social Security retirement benefits. The earnings test for retirement benefits disappears at FRA.

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Thank you all so much for your helpful responses! I feel much better now knowing that the SSA rep was wrong and that my husband CAN earn unlimited income once he reaches his full retirement age next year without affecting his benefits. We'll definitely print out that SSA webpage for reference. And we'll make sure to verify that his benefit amount gets properly adjusted for any withheld amounts once he reaches FRA. What a relief - this means our retirement plan can proceed as we originally thought! I really appreciate everyone taking the time to help clarify this confusing situation.

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Update: I finally got through to SSA after using that Claimyr service someone mentioned. The agent confirmed what you all explained - my benefit IS calculated correctly. She walked me through it step by step. My husband's PIA (full retirement age amount) is $2,340, and my 50% would be $1,170, but since I'm taking it 5 years early, it's reduced by about 35% to $760. Since I have my own small benefit of $152, they pay me that plus the $608 difference. I understand now that my husband filing early doesn't actually reduce my spousal benefit at all - it's based on his full PIA regardless of when he filed. The only reduction is from ME filing early. Thank you all for your help explaining this complicated system!

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Glad you got it sorted out! One thing to remember is that despite the reduction, you're getting 60 months of benefits that you wouldn't have received had you waited until FRA. So while the monthly amount is less, the lifetime total might work out better depending on your life expectancy and financial needs. That's often overlooked in these discussions.

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i wish they would just make this simpler!!! why do we need to be math experts to get our benefits????

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I know! I feel like they should send us a detailed breakdown with our award letters showing EXACTLY how they calculated everything. Would save so much confusion!

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Since your Social Security earnings were from the 1970s/1980s, remember that getting those 5 additional credits now won't significantly increase your benefit amount. SS benefits are based on your highest 35 years of indexed earnings. Working just enough to get the 5 credits won't add much to your calculation unless you earn significantly more than in those early years. Still, qualifying for even a small benefit is generally worth it, especially considering Medicare eligibility. If you decide to pursue this, remember that in 2025 you can earn all 4 credits for the year by making $6,920 total ($1,730 per credit).

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This is correct. When I earned my final credits, I wasn't making much above minimum wage at my part-time job, but it was still significantly more than what I earned back in my early working years in the 1970s, so it actually did help my calculation a little bit. Every dollar counts when you're retired!

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My neighbor went through something like this. He worked just enough to get his 40 credits, then found out his monthly benefit was only going to be like $120 after WEP. He said even though it wasn't much, it was still free money he would have otherwise left on the table. Plus now his wife gets spousal benefits too I think. You already have 35 credits so might as well get the last 5!

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That's encouraging to hear. I'm starting to think it makes sense to just get those last 5 credits. Even a small monthly amount adds up over the years.

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Quick follow-up since there seems to be some confusion in the thread: survivor benefits reach their maximum at your FRA (66 and 6 months for someone born in 1959), unlike retirement benefits which max out at 70. The survivor benefit will be 100% of what your ex-husband was receiving or would have received at his FRA. And yes, you can absolutely switch between benefits - take survivors at your FRA, continue working (with no earnings limit penalty), then switch to your own retirement at 70 if it would be higher. This strategy could maximize your lifetime benefits.

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I think I understand the strategy now - wait until 66 and 6 months to claim survivor benefits (while possibly still working), then at 70 I could switch to my own benefit if it's higher at that point. I need to find out which would be greater in my case.

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does anyone know if the 10 year marriage rule is exactly 10 years or can it be like 9 years and 10 months? asking for my friend who's in a similar situation

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It needs to be a full 10 years (to the day) to qualify for any ex-spouse benefits. Unfortunately, 9 years and 10 months wouldn't qualify. The marriage duration requirement is very strict with no exceptions.

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After reading more details on the bill, I want to clarify something important: The proposed formula would give you credit for your non-covered earnings (your nursing job) but would still result in a proportionally reduced benefit. The good news is that the arbitrary WEP reduction would be replaced with a formula that treats everyone fairly based on their actual earnings history. But since your covered earnings were minimal, your increase would be at the lower end of the range. If you can access your SSA earnings record, I could give you a better estimate of the potential increase.

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Thank you for the additional information. I just checked my Social Security statement online. My total covered earnings over my lifetime were about $58,500 (mostly from those early jobs), and my non-covered earnings were around $1.4 million from my nursing career. Based on those numbers, would you be able to estimate what my increase might be?

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With earnings figures like that, I can give you a rough estimate. Under the proposed proportional formula, they would calculate your benefit as if all earnings were covered, then multiply by the proportion of covered to total earnings. With $58,500 covered out of $1,458,500 total (4% covered), your benefit would be approximately 4% of what you'd get if all earnings were covered. That's actually close to what you're getting now, so your increase might be modest - perhaps 10-15%. The people who benefit most from the reform are those with substantial covered earnings (10+ years) alongside their non-covered work.

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That makes sense, though it's still disappointing. So maybe an extra $20-30 monthly at best. I guess I should be grateful for any increase, but it's hard not to feel like I'm being penalized for my career choices.

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