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The WHOLE SYSTEM is designed to confuse us!!! Different rules for withdrawal vs suspension, deadlines we don't know about, and impossible to get answers!!! Why make it so COMPLICATED???

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I understand the frustration, but the distinction between withdrawal and suspension actually makes sense. Withdrawal is meant to be a safety net for people who claim early and quickly realize it was a mistake (within 12 months). Suspension is a different planning tool that allows you to pause benefits after FRA to earn delayed credits. But yes, SSA could definitely do a better job explaining these options to people.

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Based on what you've shared, it sounds like you likely did properly withdraw your application. The fact that you remember submitting the SSA-521 form and repaying benefits is very encouraging. When you apply at your FRA, your benefit should be calculated as if you never claimed early at all. One suggestion: when you apply again, be sure to mention your previous withdrawal in the remarks section of the application. This helps ensure the claims specialist handling your case looks for that information in your record. While their system should show the withdrawal, it never hurts to flag it explicitly.

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Thank you for this advice! I'll definitely mention the withdrawal in the remarks section. I want to make sure they have all the information needed to process my application correctly. Would you recommend applying online or making an in-person appointment for my situation?

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For your situation, I'd recommend starting online (to get in the queue faster) but then following up with a phone appointment to discuss your specific circumstances. You can request a callback when you complete the online application. Given your previous withdrawal, having a conversation with a claims specialist would be beneficial.

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I think everyone is overthinking this. Its just a seasonal job way under SGA. Report it and dont worry.

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Did anyone mention EXTENDED PERIOD OF ELIGIBILITY??? After the 9 TWP months there's 36 MORE months where benefits can restart without a new application if earnings drop below SGA!!! The SSA website is SO CONFUSING about this!!!

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You're right about the Extended Period of Eligibility (EPE), but for this specific situation with temporary seasonal work below both TWP and SGA thresholds, the OP's daughter likely won't need to worry about EPE details yet. It's good information to have if she decides to work more regularly in the future though.

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Since you're turning 63 and plan to wait until 67 (your FRA), here are the key points to consider: 1. The Government Pension Offset (GPO) will likely apply since your husband's pension comes from a state government job that didn't pay into Social Security. 2. The GPO reduction is 2/3 of your gross pension amount, so approximately $1,433 will be deducted from your survivor benefit. 3. Your earnings won't affect your survivor benefits once you reach FRA (67), but they would reduce benefits if you claimed earlier. 4. To make an informed decision, you need to know what your survivor benefit amount would be before the GPO reduction. This amount is based on what your husband would receive if he were alive at your FRA. 5. Request a detailed calculation from SSA showing both your survivor benefit amount and the GPO reduction. This will help you determine if you'll receive any benefit after the reduction. The optimal claiming strategy depends on these numbers. If the GPO would eliminate most or all of your survivor benefit, it might make sense to claim earlier and accept the earnings reduction.

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Thank you for laying this out so clearly. I called the local SSA office but couldn't get through. I'll try to schedule an appointment to get these calculations done. My husband would have received about $2,800/month at his FRA, so I'm hoping there will be something left after the GPO reduction. It's just so frustrating that they penalize me for receiving his pension when we planned our retirement assuming both income sources would be available.

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Sending hugs. Its so hard dealing with all this paperwork when youre grieving.

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Thank you, that means a lot. It has been overwhelming trying to figure all this out while still processing everything.

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My wife and I went thru this last year. What a headache! We ended up estimating too high and got less subsidy than we shoulda. Make sure you ONLY count the SS income that's taxable for marketplace (which isnt the same as taxable for IRS). I think theres a worksheet on healthcare.gov somewhere.

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Oh wow, I didn't realize there was a difference between taxable for IRS versus Marketplace! Now I'm even more confused. I'll look for that worksheet you mentioned. Thanks!

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One last important point: For Marketplace insurance income calculations, you need to report your Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI), which may include some non-taxable Social Security benefits depending on your other income. The Marketplace uses a specific calculation for Social Security benefits that differs from normal tax rules. If your income is below certain thresholds, you may not need to count all of your Social Security benefits toward your Marketplace MAGI. I recommend using the Marketplace's income calculator tool on healthcare.gov to get the most accurate estimate for your specific situation.

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Thank you! I found the calculator tool on healthcare.gov and it's really helpful. I appreciate everyone's advice - I feel much more confident about calculating our income correctly now!

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Thank you all for the helpful responses! I now understand that my husband won't get any additional amount since his benefit is already more than half of mine. I appreciate the clarification about survivor benefits too - that's something we hadn't considered in our planning. I'm going to talk with him about whether it might make sense for him to delay claiming even past his FRA since his benefit would continue to grow. Does anyone know if the spousal benefit calculations change if he waits until 70?

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Great question about delaying beyond FRA! The spousal benefit calculation doesn't change - it's still maxed at 50% of your PIA. Since his own benefit already exceeds the spousal maximum, delaying to 70 would only increase his own retirement benefit (by 8% per year from FRA to 70). Given that his own benefit is already higher than what he'd get as a spouse, delaying to age 70 could be advantageous if he's in good health and expects longevity. His retirement benefit would increase by about 32% if he waits from FRA to 70, potentially reaching around $2,500/month instead of $1,900.

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my sister in law was in this same boat. her husbands check was like $700 less than hers and he didnt get any extra. but then when she needed to go on medicare it took a bigger chunk out of her check cause she was in a higher income bracket. so theres other stuff to think about too with the higher benefit sometimes.

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That's a good point about IRMAA (Income-Related Monthly Adjustment Amount). If your combined income exceeds certain thresholds, you may pay higher Medicare Part B and D premiums. For 2025, the first threshold is $103,000 for married filing jointly. It's definitely something to factor into retirement planning.

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