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Can I collect Social Security spousal benefits if my spouse only receives survivor benefits?

I'm trying to figure out a complicated Social Security situation and hope someone can help. I'm turning 62 next month and looking at my benefit options. My husband (64) currently receives survivor benefits from his first wife who passed away 8 years ago. He hasn't filed for his own retirement benefits yet since the survivor benefit is higher. Here's what I'm confused about: Can I claim spousal benefits based on my husband's record even though he's only collecting survivor benefits and not his own retirement benefit? Everything I read says your spouse must be "collecting Social Security" to get spousal benefits, but doesn't specify which TYPE of benefit counts. Does anyone know if survivor benefits count as "collecting Social Security" for this purpose? I called SSA twice and got different answers! First person said no, second person said maybe. I'm totally confused and our financial planning depends on this. Thanks for any help!

wait I just remembered something important!!! if ur turning 62 soon make sure u understand deemed filing!!! the rules changed after 2015 and now if u file for ANY benefit they automatically make u file for ALL benefits ur eligible for! so u cant do that strategy where u take spousal first then switch to ur own later like people used to do!!

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This is an excellent point about deemed filing rules! Under current rules (for people born after January 1, 1954), when you file for either retirement or spousal benefits, you're deemed to have filed for both. The only exception is for surviving spouses claiming survivor benefits, which aren't subject to deemed filing rules.

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If your husband is 64 and receiving survivor benefits, and you're turning 62, you might want to consider a 2-step strategy that could maximize your household benefits over time: 1) You file for your reduced retirement benefit at 62 (accepting the reduction) 2) When your husband reaches 70, he switches to his own retirement benefit (maximized with delayed credits) which then triggers your eligibility for potentially higher spousal benefits While you'd have a permanent reduction on your own benefit from filing early, the years of receiving some benefit (rather than nothing) plus the eventual higher spousal amount might work out better financially depending on your specific benefit amounts and life expectancy. I'd recommend sitting down with a financial planner who specializes in Social Security claiming strategies to review all your options with actual numbers.

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I really appreciate this suggested strategy! I hadn't thought about having him delay until 70 for maximum benefits. We'll definitely talk to a financial planner about running the numbers. There are so many moving parts to consider!

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Can I get Social Security disability with no work credits for 10+ years after medical malpractice?

I'm dealing with severe complications from a botched shoulder surgery that's left me with chronic pain and limited mobility. Before I go through the nightmare of gathering all my medical records and starting the disability application process, I need to know if I'm even eligible. I haven't worked since 2015 (about 10 years ago) when I left my nursing job to raise my kids. I was planning to return to healthcare this year, but I can barely type or write for more than 15 minutes without debilitating pain and fatigue in my arm and shoulder. The surgeon damaged nerves during what was supposed to be a routine procedure, and three specialists have told me the damage is permanent. Am I wasting my time applying for SSDI with this huge gap in my work history? I know there's some rule about recent work credits but don't understand how it applies to my situation.

Based on your additional information about the surgery occurring in 2019 with documentation, you have a legitimate path forward. Here's what I recommend: 1. Use Claimyr or visit your local SSA office to confirm your exact date last insured 2. If your DLI was after your 2019 surgery, proceed with gathering your medical evidence 3. In your application, clearly specify an onset date in 2019 when the surgical complications began 4. Include all medical documentation from 2019-present showing consistent treatment 5. Consider getting a statement from your doctor specifically addressing how your condition prevented substantial gainful activity since 2019 The fact that you weren't working at the time of onset doesn't matter as much as proving the disability began before your DLI expired. The key is establishing that your medical condition would have prevented you from working since 2019 if you had attempted to return to work.

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you! I'll start gathering all these records and contact my neurosurgeon for that statement. It's still daunting but at least now I have a clear plan.

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I will say, based on personal experience, applying for a closed period SSDI claim with an onset date from several years ago is challenging but absolutely possible. The key is having thorough documentation and being VERY specific about your onset date. The SSA will want to see that you've been receiving consistent treatment for your condition since 2019. Any gaps in treatment can be problematic, so be prepared to explain any periods where you might not have seen doctors regularly.

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Can my teenage daughter get Social Security benefits when I reach FRA? Someone said she gets half my amount

I was just on a retirement planning website and someone mentioned something that caught me off guard. They said that when I reach my full retirement age (I'll be 67 in August 2025), not only will I start receiving my Social Security retirement benefits, but my daughter (who's 15 now) would be eligible to receive a benefit equal to 50% of my amount until she turns 18 or graduates high school. Is this actually true? I've been planning for retirement for years and somehow never heard about this potential benefit for her. She'll be 16 when I reach FRA and still have 2 years of high school left. This would be a huge help for college savings if it's legitimate. Has anyone here actually received these benefits for their kids or know the official rules on this? The person who mentioned it wasn't very detailed and now I can't find the original post again.

I think there's some confusion in this thread. The benefit is real, but there are specific requirements. Your child can get benefits on your record when you start collecting retirement, but: 1. The child must be unmarried 2. Under 18 (or up to 19 if still in high school) 3. The benefit is up to 50% of your PIA 4. There's a family maximum benefit that might reduce the amount Also, just to clarify something I saw earlier - these payments continue even if the child is working. Their earnings don't affect eligibility like they would for SSI.

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Thanks for the clarification! My daughter does have a part-time job after school, so I was wondering if that would affect anything. Good to know it won't impact her eligibility. She meets all the other requirements you listed.

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Ok I just got off the phone with SSA after waiting FOREVER and I want to share what I learned since we're in similar situations: 1. Yes, our teen children CAN get benefits when we claim retirement 2. It's NOT automatic - we need to apply for them specifically 3. They recommended applying for the child's benefits at the same time as your own 4. You'll need the child's birth certificate, SS card, and YOUR marriage certificate if your name on the birth certificate is different than your current name 5. Benefits can continue until 19 if still in high school 6. The money goes to YOU as representative payee until they turn 18 Hope this helps someone! The agent I spoke with actually seemed surprised I knew to ask about this benefit!

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Thank you for taking the time to share this detailed information! This is exactly why community forums like this are so valuable. The SSA doesn't always proactively inform people about all the benefits they're entitled to receive.

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Survivor Benefits after 10 years - Did I miss filing deadline at 2 years after death?

I'm in a panic about whether I've permanently lost my chance at survivor benefits. My husband died 10 years ago when I was 53. When I initially contacted SSA back then, I was told I earned too much to receive survivor benefits (something about them deducting $1 for every $2 I earned over some limit). The rep advised me to just keep working instead of filing. Now I'm 63 and planning to retire, but when I called SSA today, a recording mentioned something about needing to file within 2 years of death! I'm freaking out - did I lose my benefits permanently because I didn't file within that timeframe? Has anyone dealt with this situation? Can I still apply for survivor benefits even though it's been 10 years, or am I completely out of luck?

Update: I called SSA again (had to try three times to get through) and finally spoke with someone helpful! You were all right - there is NO time limit for applying for survivor benefits. The 2-year limit only applies to the one-time $255 death payment. The rep told me that based on my husband's earnings, my survivor benefit would be about $2,450/month at my full retirement age of 67, or about $1,750 if I take it now at 63. My own benefit at FRA would be around $1,900. She recommended I take the reduced survivor benefit now and then switch to my own benefit at 70 when it would be about $2,350. Thank you all so much for your help! I was so worried I'd lost everything due to that misleading recording!

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FANTASTIC!! That switching strategy is exactly what my financial advisor recommended too. So glad you got good information finally!

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FYI - Since you're still working, remember the 2025 earnings limit is $22,320 if you're under full retirement age. They'll deduct $1 for every $2 you earn above that. So if you make $30,000, they'll deduct $3,840 from your annual benefit ($30,000-$22,320 = $7,680 ÷ 2 = $3,840). Make sure to factor this into your planning if you're continuing to work.

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Thanks for breaking down the math! I'm planning to fully retire this summer, so I'll only have about $18,000 in earnings for 2025. Sounds like I'll be under the limit and won't have any deductions. This is all so complicated!

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Social Security timing dilemma - worth waiting 2 months for $576 more annual benefits?

Facing a decision about my SS retirement benefits and could use some outside perspectives. If I claim on May 1, I'd get about $55,740/year for life. If I wait until July 1 (just 2 months later), I'd get $56,316/year - which is $576 more annually or $48 monthly. My health is generally good (not great), but my wife is in excellent health. Since she'd get my survivor benefits if I pass before her, I'm trying to determine if waiting those extra 2 months makes financial sense for us. We're not desperate for the money right now, but I keep going back and forth. Is an extra $576 per year worth delaying 2 months? That's roughly $6,000 extra over 10 years, but I lose $9,290 upfront by not taking those two months of payments. What would you do in this situation? Does the survivor benefit angle change your calculation?

Something nobody mentioned - what about Medicare? Doesn't that start at 65 regardless of when you take SS? Make sure you're not confusing the two dates.

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Good point! Medicare enrollment is separate from Social Security benefits. You should enroll in Medicare at 65 regardless of when you claim Social Security benefits, unless you have qualifying coverage through an employer. Missing your Medicare enrollment period can result in lifelong penalties.

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I want to thank everybody for their opinions, they were helpful. I've decided to wait the two months. Should my wife survive me, it is more important to me that she get the absolute most benefit. We do not need the money now, so I think it better to wait.

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That sounds like a well-thought-out decision. Prioritizing your wife's potential survivor benefits makes a lot of sense when you don't immediately need the money. Best wishes to both of you!

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