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I'm completely lost trying to figure out my wife's spousal benefits calculation with all these reductions involved. She's currently receiving her own retirement benefits (reduced because she claimed before FRA), but the 'top-up' spousal amount we're getting is way less than expected. Here's our situation: She worked part-time at a school district (non-covered employment) so she's subject to both WEP on her own benefit and GPO for spousal benefits. We understand her own benefit calculation with WEP and the early filing reduction - that matches what SSA is paying. But the spousal top-up amount has us completely confused. Does anyone know the exact ORDER these reductions are applied? Specifically: 1. Do they take the GPO reduction first, THEN apply the early filing reduction to what's left? 2. Or do they apply the early filing reduction first, THEN take the GPO amount? 3. Or are both GPO and early filing reductions calculated on the full amount separately, then both subtracted? I'm getting different answers doing the math each way. For reference, I waited until 70 to file for my own benefits (all from covered employment). Any insights from someone who's dealt with this specific situation would be really appreciated!
I'm asking for my neighbor who's in a situation and doesn't know where to turn. She's 68 years old and already receiving her own Social Security retirement benefits. She was married for 17 years before getting divorced and never remarried. Recently someone told her she might be eligible to receive benefits based on her ex-husband's record - possibly half of his benefit amount? She's really confused about whether this is true and if it would somehow reduce his benefits if she applied. She's hesitant to call SSA directly because she doesn't want to cause problems for him. Can anyone clarify if she's eligible for divorced spouse benefits at this point, and whether it would impact her ex-husband's payments at all? Also, would she need to contact him or get his permission to apply?
I was in a similar situation last year. Divorced after 22 years, started my own SS at 66. Found out my ex was a high earner so I applied for divorced spouse benefits. Took FOREVER to process (about 3 months) but I ended up getting an additional $320/month because half of his benefit was higher than my full benefit. Definitely worth checking into!! They did ask for my marriage certificate and divorce decree, so tell your friend to have those ready.
To answer your follow-up question: No, she doesn't need his SSN to apply. The SSA can locate his record with his name, date of birth, and place of birth. She should bring her own identification, her Social Security card, birth certificate, marriage certificate, and divorce decree to prove she meets the requirements. Also, to clear up some confusion in this thread: If she's entitled to both her own retirement and a divorced spouse benefit, she'll receive her own benefit plus the difference if the divorced spouse benefit is higher. So if her own benefit is $1000 and 50% of his is $1400, she would receive $1400 total (not $2400). But if her own benefit is $1500 and 50% of his is $1400, she would just continue to receive her $1500.
Asking for a friend who's going through a tough time and doesn't want to post here himself. He's 62 and has been receiving SSDI for about 3 years due to a severe back injury. He and his wife are separating after 5 years of marriage and heading toward divorce. His soon-to-be ex is 57 and has a really spotty work history - she's worked maybe 10 of the last 30 years, mostly part-time jobs with low wages. My friend is worried about two things: 1) Can she claim any spousal benefits from his SSDI even after they divorce? 2) If something happens to him down the road, would she be entitled to survivor benefits? They don't have kids together if that matters. His SSDI payment is around $2,450/month if that's relevant. Thanks for any insights!
I just realized nobody asked - does the wife have children under 16? If your friend and his wife had kids who are still minors, she could potentially receive benefits as a mother caring for his children, even after divorce. This doesn't have the 10-year marriage requirement. But since you mentioned they don't have kids together, this wouldn't apply.
Has your friend talked to a divorce attorney who specializes in situations involving disability benefits? My neighbor went through something similar and said her lawyer gave her better advice than SSA did because he understood both the SS rules AND how they interact with divorce law in our state. Might be worth the consultation fee.
I'm turning 69 next month and finally ready to claim my Social Security retirement benefits (my FRA was 67). Planning to file online since getting an appointment seems nearly impossible these days. I have a few questions I want to confirm before hitting submit: 1. I want to set my benefit start date as February 1, 2025 - can I specifically choose this date or does SSA automatically force a 6-month retroactive lump sum payment? I definitely want to AVOID the lump sum option since my monthly benefit would be permanently reduced. 2. I'm still working about 20 hours weekly at my consulting business. Since I'm past FRA, I understand there's no earnings limit, but will my earnings impact my benefit amount in any way besides potential taxation? 3. I'm already enrolled in Medicare Part B and have supplemental coverage through my wife's former employer (we pay $475/month for that). Will applying for SS benefits affect either of these plans? Anyone who's filed online recently - any tips or pitfalls to avoid? The SSA website seems to have changed since my brother applied last year.
OH WAIT!! Totally forgot to mention - at some point during the online application it's going to ask you questions that seem repetitive about your work history. Don't skip these! My husband did and it delayed his application by weeks because they had to call him to verify information he could have just entered online. And a quick question for others on this thread - does accepting SS retirement benefits affect the potential survivor benefits my spouse would receive if I pass away first? We haven't been able to get a straight answer on this.
Thanks for mentioning the work history section - that's definitely important to complete carefully. Regarding survivor benefits: Your spouse's survivor benefit would be based on your benefit amount at the time of your death. So by waiting until 69 to claim (past your FRA), you've already increased any potential survivor benefit your spouse would receive. Claiming now versus waiting longer only affects future accrual of delayed retirement credits that would further increase both your benefit and any survivor benefit.
are u sure u shud file online?? my cousin did that and his application got lost for 3 months!! he had to start over in person. just sayin maybe go to the office if u can
Online applications rarely get truly "lost" - more likely there was missing information that required follow-up. The online system is actually quite reliable now, especially for straightforward retirement claims. In-person appointments currently have a 3-4 month waitlist in most offices, so online is generally the fastest option for retirement benefits.
I'm in a real pickle trying to figure out this Social Security spousal benefit situation with WEP/GPO involved. Math has never been my strong suit! I'm a retired teacher with a pension, and I didn't file for spousal benefits at 62 because the GPO would have reduced it to $0 (what a joy that was to discover). My husband started taking his SS at 62, and now I'm trying to determine if I should file for spousal now or wait until my Full Retirement Age which is about 18 months away. I've looked everywhere on the SSA website but can't figure out where to find my husband's PIA (Primary Insurance Amount) which I apparently need for the calculation. The benefit calculators are confusing me even more! Does anyone know the approximate percentage difference in monthly benefits if I wait until FRA versus filing now? Or should I just give up on the DIY approach and call Social Security directly? I feel like I need a math degree to figure this out!
my frend worked for school district 26 yrs now gets $0 from husbands SS even tho he paid in 45 yrs! system is rigged against teachers
One final suggestion - even though your calculation shows $0 benefit, it might still be worth calling SSA to verify your specific situation. There are occasionally special circumstances or provisions that might apply in individual cases. For instance, if you had any substantial earnings under Social Security yourself (not just your teacher's pension), the calculation becomes more complex and potentially more favorable. Also, having the calculation officially done can help with future planning, especially regarding survivor benefits should your spouse pass away before you (survivor benefits are also subject to GPO, but the calculation is different). Keep in mind that when you do call, try to speak with someone who specifically understands GPO/WEP provisions, as not all representatives are equally familiar with these complex rules.
That's a really good point about survivor benefits. I did work briefly in the private sector in my 20s, but it wasn't many years. I think I'll take your advice and make that call just to have everything professionally calculated and on record for future planning. Thank you for the thoughtful suggestion!
Liam Murphy
Has anyone here successfully appealed an SSA calculation? We're considering it because we still think there's an error in how they calculated our benefits with GPO and early filing reductions. The amounts just don't add up no matter how we do the math.
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Yuki Tanaka
I requested a reconsideration of my benefit calculation last year. It took about 4 months to process, but they did find an error and adjusted my payment. The key was having all my documentation organized and being very specific about what I thought was wrong with the calculation. In my case, they had used the wrong pension amount for my GPO reduction. Definitely worth trying if you think there's a mistake.
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Sasha Ivanov
One other factor to consider: if your wife's FRA is 67 (born in 1960 or later), filing at 62 means a 30% reduction to benefits. But the spousal benefit reduction is actually calculated differently and can be higher - up to 35% if claimed at 62. So the full calculation is: 1. Take 50% of your PIA 2. Subtract 2/3 of her non-covered pension (GPO) 3. Apply the appropriate early filing reduction percentage based on her age when she filed 4. Factor in any COLA adjustments between her filing date and when spousal benefits began It's one of the most complex calculations in the Social Security system, and unfortunately, not all SSA representatives fully understand it. If you get your questions answered by someone knowledgeable, please share what you learn - it would help others in similar situations!
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Miguel Hernández
AuthorI will definitely update once we get this resolved! You're right that her FRA is 67 (born in 1962), so the reduction is substantial. Between GPO and early filing, it's taking a huge chunk of the potential spousal benefit. I appreciate everyone's insights - this community has already been more helpful than hours on the phone with SSA.
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