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This whole system is so confusing. I thought Social Security was supposed to be straightforward! My dad never had to deal with all these complicated rules when he retired.
The system has become increasingly complex over the decades. Your father likely retired before the major WEP/GPO expansions in the 1980s. These provisions were originally intended to prevent "double-dipping" but have created significant inequities, particularly for public servants with mixed careers. The recent legislation attempts to address these inequities, but as with most government programs, the implementation is far from simple.
If you have 40+ quarters of Social Security coverage as you mentioned, make sure that's properly documented in your earnings record. Sometimes quarters get missed in the system. I've seen cases where correcting the earnings record resulted in a reduction of the WEP penalty even under the old rules. You can check your lifetime earnings record in your mySocialSecurity account. If you see any years missing or with incorrect amounts, gather documentation (W-2s, tax returns) and submit a correction request. This might help regardless of how the new law is implemented.
One more clarification about the SSDI to retirement conversion at 67 - while your payment amount stays the same, there's a significant benefit: once you're on retirement benefits instead of SSDI, you'll no longer be subject to medical reviews, and you can earn unlimited income without affecting your benefits (unlike SSDI which has strict work limitations). Regarding your LTD question - many policies do terminate at 65, but the exact terms depend on your specific policy. Some continue until your Social Security Full Retirement Age (67), while others have different age-based schedules. I'd recommend reviewing your policy documents or contacting your LTD provider directly.
I just remembered something else!!! Make SURE you ask about any LUMP SUM DEATH BENEFIT when you apply!!! My friend almost missed out on the $255 death payment because no one at SSA told her about it - she had to specifically ask. They don't automatically tell you everything you're eligible for!!
After reading through all these comments, I think your best approach is to: 1. Schedule an appointment with SSA (either by phone or in-person) 2. Apply for survivor benefits regardless of potential GPO impact 3. Request a detailed calculation showing how GPO affects your specific case 4. Also request a computation of your own future retirement benefit at 70, accounting for WEP 5. Make your decision based on these personalized calculations Many people in your situation find that even with GPO, they might receive a small survivor benefit, which can provide some income between 60 and 70 while your own benefit grows with delayed retirement credits. The key is getting accurate calculations based on your specific earnings history rather than general advice.
Thank you for summarizing this plan of action. I agree that getting the specific calculations for my situation is crucial. I'll apply for survivor benefits and request detailed calculations including both the GPO impact and my future retirement benefit with WEP considered. This forum has been incredibly helpful in preparing me for what to ask and what to expect when I finally get through to SSA.
Javier Cruz
Just my 2 cents but my financial advisor told me that for women especially it often makes sense to claim early since we tend to live longer. That way we get something earlier in life when we can enjoy it more. Just something to think about.
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Natasha Orlova
To summarize the key points for your situation: 1. If you claim your retirement benefit at 62, it will be permanently reduced (to about 70% of your FRA amount). 2. If your husband claims at 70, his benefit will be 132% of his FRA amount. 3. If he passes away after claiming, you would be eligible for survivor benefits equal to 100% of what he was receiving - IF you claim survivor benefits at or after your survivor FRA. 4. If you claim survivor benefits before your survivor FRA, they would be reduced. 5. You would receive either your own benefit OR the survivor benefit, whichever is higher, not both. Given these rules, your strategy of claiming early while he delays could work well if the goal is to maximize potential survivor benefits. Just be aware of the earnings test if you're still working when you claim early.
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CosmicCowboy
•This summary is incredibly helpful! I think I understand much better now. Since he has the higher earnings history, maximizing his benefit by waiting until 70 seems smart for both of us in the long run. Thank you all for the helpful information!
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