Social Security disability conversion at 62 - will my spousal benefits be reduced if ex-husband already collecting?
I'm trying to make sense of a confusing situation with my Social Security benefits. I've been receiving SSDI (disability) for about 5 years now after a car accident left me unable to work. I'll be turning 62 next month, and I know my disability automatically converts to retirement at my full retirement age (67). Here's where I'm confused - my ex-husband (we were married 12 years) just started collecting his Social Security retirement at 63. Since my benefit amount is pretty low (only about $1,100/month), I believe I'm eligible for divorced spousal benefits to "top up" my payment. My question is: if I apply for the ex-spousal benefit now at 62, will it be permanently reduced because I'm under FRA? Or does the fact that I'm already on disability somehow protect me from that reduction? The local office gave me conflicting information and I can't get through on the phone. Has anyone dealt with this specific situation?
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Giovanni Colombo
Your disability benefit will NOT convert to retirement until you reach Full Retirement Age (FRA). This is an important distinction. When you apply for divorced spousal benefits while on disability, you're essentially filing for what's called a "dual entitlement" case. Yes, unfortunately, the spousal portion WILL be reduced if you take it before your FRA. The disability portion isn't reduced, but the excess spousal amount is calculated with the reduction factor based on your age when you apply for it. So if you apply at 62, that spousal "top-up" portion will be permanently reduced. If your ex-spouse is already collecting, you're eligible to file for the divorced spousal benefit now. Just be aware that filing at 62 means you'll only get about 32.5% of his PIA instead of the full 50% you'd get at your FRA.
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Amara Okafor
•Thank you for explaining! So my regular disability stays the same, but the extra amount I could get from my ex's record gets cut? That doesn't seem fair since I didn't choose to be disabled. Do you know roughly how much I might get with the reduction? If my benefit is $1,100 and his full benefit would be around $2,400?
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
I went through something similar last year. The way it works is your disability benefit stays the same until FRA, but any additional amount you get from the divorced spouse benefit will be reduced because you're taking it early. Here's a rough calculation for your situation: - Your disability benefit: $1,100/month - Your ex-husband's PIA (full retirement benefit at his FRA): $2,400 - 50% of his PIA would be $1,200 - At age 62, you'd get about 32.5% of his PIA instead of 50% = $780 Since your own benefit ($1,100) is higher than the reduced spousal amount ($780), you wouldn't get any additional money right now. You might be better off waiting until you're closer to your FRA to apply for the divorced spouse benefit.
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Amara Okafor
•Oh that makes a lot of sense now! I didn't realize they would compare my current benefit to the REDUCED spousal amount. So basically I'd get nothing extra if I apply now? Ugh, that's disappointing. Waiting seems better then. Thanks for doing that math - the SSA rep couldn't even explain it this clearly!
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StarStrider
my mom went thru this exact thing!!! the SSA people kept giving her wrong info too. she had to wait till her FRA to get the full 50% from my dads record. she was on disability too. its really confusing cuz some people at SSA told her the opposite.
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Giovanni Colombo
•This is very common unfortunately. The rules about disability benefits interacting with spousal benefits can be misunderstood even by some SSA employees. It's always good to get information in writing and if possible speak to a Technical Expert at your local office, not just the front-line representatives.
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Dylan Campbell
I've been dealing with SSA for 20+ years (former claims specialist) and I can tell you that getting accurate information about these complex situations is TOUGH. Most people don't realize that disability benefits convert to retirement at FRA automatically and that spousal benefits have different rules. If you're having trouble getting through to someone who actually understands your case, you might want to try Claimyr (claimyr.com). It's a service that connects you with an SSA agent usually within 20 minutes instead of waiting on hold for hours. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU In your specific situation, I'd recommend talking directly to a Technical Expert who deals with disability-to-retirement conversions and spousal benefits. Make sure to ask specifically about the computation of the "excess spousal" amount when you're under FRA but already receiving disability.
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Sofia Torres
•Is this Claimyr thing legit? Ive been trying to get thru to SSA for weeks about my husbands claim.
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Dmitry Sokolov
YES its legit! I used it last month when I couldn't get anyone on the phone for THREE DAYS!!! Totally worth it cuz I got through in like 15 mins. The SSA phone system is BROKEN!!!!
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Amara Okafor
•I might have to check that out. I've called 5 times this week alone and never got through. They just disconnect me after being on hold. So frustrating!
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Ava Martinez
My situation was different bc I was drawing widow's benefits but similar question about reductions. I talked to 3 different SSA reps and got 3 different answers!!! The system is sooooo confusing. I ended up waiting until my FRA (which was 66+2mo for me) to avoid ANY reductions. I think thats what most financial experts would tell you to do if you can afford to wait. I know its not what you want to hear but in most cases if you can hold off till FRA you usually come out ahead in the long run. Best of luck to you!!
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Sofia Torres
wait i dont get it…if ur already on SSDI does that mean ur already getting ur full amount? why would they reduce ANYTHING?? makes no sense….
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
•The SSDI benefit itself isn't reduced - that's correct. But the additional amount she might get from her ex-spouse's record (the "excess spousal" benefit) WOULD be reduced if claimed before FRA. They're actually two separate calculations that SSA combines into one payment.
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Giovanni Colombo
One more important point - if your disability benefit is $1,100 and 50% of your ex's PIA is $1,200, then at FRA you would receive your $1,100 disability (which converts to retirement) PLUS an additional $100 as the excess spousal amount. So waiting until FRA in your case would mean an extra $100/month for life, plus any COLAs applied to that amount. Just something to keep in mind as you're making your decision.
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Amara Okafor
•Thank you! This is exactly the info I needed. I think I'll wait until FRA since it sounds like I might not get anything at all if I apply now. I appreciate everyone's help!
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