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I'm dealing with a similar spousal benefit issue right now! Just wanted to add that when you do get through to SSA, ask them specifically about the "deemed filing" rules if you're both receiving benefits. Sometimes there are nuances about how spousal benefits are calculated when both spouses are already receiving their own retirement benefits that can affect the final amount. Also, make sure they're using your husband's correct PIA - I've seen cases where they accidentally used an outdated figure from before his final benefit was calculated. The $58 difference is definitely worth pursuing - that's real money over time!

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Thanks for bringing up the "deemed filing" rules - I hadn't heard of that before! Since my husband and I both started our retirement benefits in January, this could definitely be relevant to my situation. Do you know if there's a specific way to ask about this when I call SSA, or should I just mention "deemed filing" and see if they know what I'm talking about? I'm worried about getting a representative who isn't familiar with all the nuances of spousal benefit calculations.

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I went through this exact same situation last year! The timing delay is completely normal - my spousal benefit didn't start until 7 weeks after my regular retirement benefit began. But that $58 difference is significant and definitely worth investigating. Here's what I learned: SSA reps sometimes use different calculation methods or have access to different versions of your earnings record than third-party advisors. In my case, the discrepancy was because the SSA had updated earnings information that my advisor didn't have access to when they did their initial calculation. I'd suggest calling and asking for a "benefit verification letter" that shows the exact breakdown of how they calculated your $114 spousal benefit. Then you can compare it line by line with your advisor's $172 calculation to see where the difference occurs. Don't let them rush you off the phone - you have every right to understand exactly how your benefit was calculated. Also, if you do find an error, SSA will backdate any corrections to when your spousal benefit should have started, so you won't lose money while this gets sorted out. Good luck!

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I just wanted to thank everyone for the helpful information. I have a much better understanding now. It sounds like my husband should definitely continue with his plan to work part-time, as it may increase his benefit somewhat (even if it's modest) since he has fewer than 35 years of earnings. And there's no downside since he's at his full retirement age and can earn unlimited amounts without any reduction in benefits. It's great to know the recalculation happens automatically too. One less thing to worry about!

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You're absolutely right to pursue this! Since your husband has some zero earning years, working part-time could definitely help boost his benefit amount over time. Just wanted to add that you can actually get a rough estimate of the potential increase by creating a my Social Security account at ssa.gov. It shows his complete earnings record, so you can see exactly which years have low or zero earnings that could potentially be replaced by his new part-time work. The earnings record will also show you his current benefit calculation, which can help you understand how much room there is for improvement. It's a great tool for planning!

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Stunned by $3,500+ Social Security survivor benefit after waiting until FRA - was it worth the 6 year wait?

Just got my survivor benefit amount from SSA and I'm still in shock! My wife passed away in 2018 from a sudden heart attack at 58. She was the primary earner in our household for 30+ years in healthcare administration. When I turned 60 back in 2019, I contacted SSA about survivor benefits. The rep told me I'd receive around $1,850 if I claimed then. I was working part-time at my daughter's small business and managing okay financially, so I decided to keep researching. After reading countless articles about reduced benefits when claiming early, I made the tough decision to wait until my full retirement age for survivors (66 and 2 months). In the meantime, I claimed my own smaller retirement benefit at 62 (about $950/month) to help with expenses. Fast forward to now - I finally reached my survivor FRA last month and applied. The SSA specialist just called with my benefit amount: $3,547 per month! That's DOUBLE what I would've received at 60! I know there have been several COLA increases, but I never expected this much difference. Has anyone else experienced this kind of jump by waiting until FRA for survivor benefits? I calculated roughly $102,000 in "lost" benefits from waiting 6+ years, but the higher monthly amount will make up for that in about 5 years. For those facing this decision now - how are you weighing the early vs. FRA survivor benefit options? I know everyone's situation is different (health issues, financial needs, etc.), but I'm curious how others approached this choice.

I just want to thank everyone for their insights! The Social Security system is so complicated, and it helps to hear from others who've navigated it. One thing I didn't mention in my original post - I almost gave up waiting about 2 years ago when my car broke down and I needed a new roof. Those were tough months living on my small retirement benefit. But I'm glad I stuck with the plan. For those currently deciding, don't forget to factor in Medicare premiums when you turn 65 - that was an expense I hadn't properly calculated and it took a bite out of my budget!

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The Medicare premiums surprised me too! And if your income goes up too much (like from taking a larger SS benefit), you can get hit with IRMAA surcharges that make Medicare even more expensive. Did that affect you at all with the higher survivor benefit?

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Fortunately no IRMAA issues for me yet, but you're right to mention it! My total income still keeps me in the lower brackets for Medicare premiums. But it's definitely something others should research if they have other income sources besides Social Security.

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Thank you for sharing your experience with such detail! As someone who's currently 59 and will face this decision next year when my husband's survivor benefits become available, your story is incredibly helpful. I'm particularly interested in how you managed the emotional aspect of this decision - it must have been difficult to keep delaying something that represented financial security during what I imagine was already a challenging time grieving your wife. Did you ever have moments where you questioned your decision to wait, especially during those tough financial periods you mentioned? I'm trying to prepare myself mentally for potentially making a similar choice, but I worry about the uncertainty of not knowing exactly what the benefit will be until you actually claim it. The SSA estimates can be helpful, but your actual amount being so much higher than the early estimate really shows how much can change over those waiting years. Also, do you have any advice for keeping track of the annual COLA adjustments while waiting? I'd like to be able to roughly monitor how my potential benefit is growing each year.

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Just throwing this out there - have u checked if ur state offers paid family leave? Some states like CA, NY, NJ have programs where u can get paid while taking care of a family member. Its not a ton of money but its something. Also check if his cancer treatment center has social workers - they often know about resources that regular people dont know exist.

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We're in Missouri, which I don't think has paid family leave, but I'll double-check. That's a great tip about the cancer center social workers though! He gets treatment at a university hospital, and I've only spoken briefly with their social worker during intake. I'll make an appointment to discuss our situation in more detail.

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I'm so sorry you and your husband are going through this difficult time. The financial stress on top of a cancer diagnosis must be overwhelming. Since others have covered the SSDI and spousal benefits well, I wanted to mention a few other resources that might help bridge the gap while you're waiting for benefits decisions: 1. CancerCare (cancercare.org) offers financial assistance grants specifically for cancer patients and their families. They can help with things like transportation, childcare, and home care costs. 2. The Leukemia & Lymphoma Society has a co-pay assistance program that might help with treatment costs, freeing up other funds for living expenses. 3. Many utility companies have hardship programs that can reduce or defer bills when someone in the household has a serious illness. Call each utility company directly to ask about their medical hardship programs. 4. Food banks and local churches often have emergency assistance funds for families dealing with medical crises. Don't hesitate to reach out - that's exactly what these programs are for. 5. GoFundMe or similar crowdfunding can sometimes help with immediate needs while waiting for official assistance. The combination of all these smaller helps can sometimes make a real difference while you're navigating the longer government processes. Wishing you and your husband strength during this challenging time.

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I want to thank everyone for their insights. I'm going to go ahead and apply now, even though it looks like I might not get anything after the GPO reduction with my CSRS pension. At least I'll know for sure, and there's always the small chance there might be some special circumstance I'm not aware of that could result in a small benefit. Since there's no advantage to waiting longer, I might as well get an official determination.

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That's the right approach. Also, while you're at it, make sure to check if you qualify for Medicare Part A without premiums. Even CSRS employees who don't qualify for Social Security benefits might still qualify for premium-free Part A if their spouse is eligible for Social Security. You should specifically ask about this when you contact SSA about your spousal benefits application.

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Good luck with your application! I'd recommend calling SSA first thing in the morning (around 8 AM) to avoid the long hold times. Also, when you do apply, make sure you have all your documentation ready - your CSRS pension statement, marriage certificate, and your husband's Social Security information. Even if the GPO eliminates your spousal benefit, having an official determination letter can be helpful for tax purposes and other benefits you might be eligible for in the future.

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