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Max Reyes

doesnt matter what u checked or didnt check. my mom got my dads SS after he died but she had to go apply for it they dont do anything automatic. SS never makes anything easy lol

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You can breathe easy! There's no special box you needed to check for survivor benefits. Your wife's eligibility for survivor benefits is automatic based on your marriage and your Social Security record - it doesn't depend on anything you did or didn't mark on your retirement application. The confusion is totally understandable because Social Security has so many different types of benefits (retirement, spousal, survivor) that people often mix them up. But here's the key point: survivor benefits are completely separate from your retirement benefit application. When the time comes, your wife will need to apply for survivor benefits herself (she can't do it online, has to call or visit an office), but your retirement application from last month has no bearing on her future eligibility. Since you claimed at 68, she'll potentially be able to receive your full benefit amount as a survivor benefit. So please stop losing sleep over this - you didn't mess anything up!

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One more thing to consider: if you're going to be close to or over the limit, you should proactively contact SSA to reduce your benefits rather than waiting for them to discover it later. You can estimate your earnings for the year and ask them to withhold benefits accordingly. This prevents the surprise of getting an overpayment notice months later. You can always request a reinstated payment if you end up earning less than expected. Also, keep in mind that the earnings limit will eventually disappear once you reach FRA, so this is a temporary concern.

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That's excellent advice. I'll definitely contact them to adjust things proactively. Dealing with a reduced benefit now seems much better than owing money later. I appreciate everyone's help with this confusing system!

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I work part-time at a local business and just started my Social Security benefits this month. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful! I had no idea the earnings test was so complicated with the monthly vs annual limits. One thing I learned from my HR department that might help others: they said I can request to have my work schedule adjusted on short notice if I'm getting close to the monthly limit. Most employers are pretty understanding about Social Security restrictions if you explain the situation early. Also, for anyone struggling to get through to SSA by phone - I found that calling right when they open at 8 AM local time gives you the best chance. I got through in about 45 minutes that way versus the 2+ hour waits later in the day. The whole system really is confusing, but this community has been a lifesaver for navigating it!

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After reading all your helpful comments, I've decided I'll definitely switch to my own retirement benefit when I reach my FRA in 3 months. The math makes sense - getting that extra $700/month right away is better than waiting. And I'll continue my part-time job since I enjoy it and there's no earnings limit after FRA. I have an appointment scheduled with SSA next week to discuss the switch. Thanks everyone for your advice and sharing your experiences!

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Smart choice! Enjoy that extra money! 👍

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Congratulations on making a well-informed decision! It sounds like you really thought this through with everyone's help. That extra $700/month will make a real difference in your quality of life, and it's great that you can keep doing work you enjoy without worrying about earnings limits. Best of luck with your SSA appointment next week - hopefully it goes smoothly and you can get everything switched over without any hassles!

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my neighbor said her congresman told her the wep repeal might be included in end of year budget stuff. has anyone else heard this??

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They say that EVERY YEAR and it never happens!! I've been watching this issue for 4 years now and they always say "oh it might be in the year-end package" but then it gets dropped at the last minute. I'll believe it when I see it signed into law.

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I'm in a very similar situation with my UK pension! I worked there for 16 years and the WEP is absolutely crushing me financially. What really gets me is that they calculate WEP based on the gross foreign pension amount, completely ignoring that we're already paying taxes on it to the foreign country AND sometimes to the US as well. I've been following the legislative efforts closely, and from what I understand, the Social Security 2100 Act would completely eliminate WEP for ALL affected beneficiaries, including those with foreign pensions like us. The other bill (Public Servants Protection and Fairness Act) would only provide partial relief but it's more targeted toward US government employees. One thing that might help in the meantime - have you considered consulting with a tax professional who specializes in international taxation? Sometimes there are ways to structure things or claim certain deductions that can reduce the overall impact, though it won't fix the underlying WEP problem. Also, definitely try that escalation process that Savannah mentioned. After 9 months, you have every right to demand answers from SSA. Keep pushing - squeaky wheel gets the grease!

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Has anyone here actually had success getting the GPO removed or reduced?? I read somewhere that if you work your last 5 years in a job covered by Social Security the GPO doesn't apply?? Is that true??

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Unfortunately, that's a common misconception. The "last 5 years" rule you're thinking of actually applies to WEP, not GPO, and even then it's quite restrictive. To be exempt from WEP, you need 30+ years of "substantial earnings" under Social Security (not just 5 years at the end of your career). For GPO, there is a narrow exemption if you're a government employee whose pension is from a job where you WERE paying Social Security taxes. But for typical state/local government pensions where you weren't paying into Social Security (like many teacher pensions), GPO will still apply regardless of other work you do. I've never heard of anyone successfully getting GPO removed unless they truly qualified for one of the legal exemptions.

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As a fellow educator who's been navigating these waters, I want to emphasize what others have said - your children's benefits are completely safe from any GPO or WEP reductions. That's the most important thing right now. I'd also suggest creating a my Social Security account online if you haven't already. While it won't show GPO calculations, you can see your earnings history and get benefit estimates. This will help you prepare for future decisions about when to claim benefits and whether your own retirement benefit might be better than the GPO-reduced widow's benefit. One thing I learned from my own research: some states have modified their teacher retirement systems in recent years. Depending on when you started teaching and which state you're in, you might be in a "hybrid" system where you DO pay Social Security taxes on part of your earnings. This could affect your GPO calculation, so it's worth verifying with your pension administrator exactly what type of system you're in. The key is getting accurate information now so you can plan ahead. Don't let the confusing phone calls discourage you - your situation is manageable once you understand the rules.

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Thank you for mentioning the hybrid systems - that's something I hadn't considered! I started teaching in 2008 in Pennsylvania, so I should definitely check with my pension administrator about whether any of my teaching years involved Social Security contributions. Even a small reduction in the GPO impact would be helpful. I do have a my Social Security account and have been tracking my earnings, but you're right that it doesn't show the GPO calculations. It's good to know that having this information will help me make better decisions down the road about timing and which benefits to claim. The reassurance about my kids' benefits being safe really helps me focus on the future planning rather than worrying about immediate impacts. Thank you for the educator perspective!

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