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I'm dealing with a similar spousal benefit issue right now! Just wanted to add that when you do get through to SSA, ask them specifically about the "deemed filing" rules if you're both receiving benefits. Sometimes there are nuances about how spousal benefits are calculated when both spouses are already receiving their own retirement benefits that can affect the final amount. Also, make sure they're using your husband's correct PIA - I've seen cases where they accidentally used an outdated figure from before his final benefit was calculated. The $58 difference is definitely worth pursuing - that's real money over time!

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Thanks for bringing up the "deemed filing" rules - I hadn't heard of that before! Since my husband and I both started our retirement benefits in January, this could definitely be relevant to my situation. Do you know if there's a specific way to ask about this when I call SSA, or should I just mention "deemed filing" and see if they know what I'm talking about? I'm worried about getting a representative who isn't familiar with all the nuances of spousal benefit calculations.

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I went through this exact same situation last year! The timing delay is completely normal - my spousal benefit didn't start until 7 weeks after my regular retirement benefit began. But that $58 difference is significant and definitely worth investigating. Here's what I learned: SSA reps sometimes use different calculation methods or have access to different versions of your earnings record than third-party advisors. In my case, the discrepancy was because the SSA had updated earnings information that my advisor didn't have access to when they did their initial calculation. I'd suggest calling and asking for a "benefit verification letter" that shows the exact breakdown of how they calculated your $114 spousal benefit. Then you can compare it line by line with your advisor's $172 calculation to see where the difference occurs. Don't let them rush you off the phone - you have every right to understand exactly how your benefit was calculated. Also, if you do find an error, SSA will backdate any corrections to when your spousal benefit should have started, so you won't lose money while this gets sorted out. Good luck!

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I just wanted to thank everyone for the helpful information. I have a much better understanding now. It sounds like my husband should definitely continue with his plan to work part-time, as it may increase his benefit somewhat (even if it's modest) since he has fewer than 35 years of earnings. And there's no downside since he's at his full retirement age and can earn unlimited amounts without any reduction in benefits. It's great to know the recalculation happens automatically too. One less thing to worry about!

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You're absolutely right to pursue this! Since your husband has some zero earning years, working part-time could definitely help boost his benefit amount over time. Just wanted to add that you can actually get a rough estimate of the potential increase by creating a my Social Security account at ssa.gov. It shows his complete earnings record, so you can see exactly which years have low or zero earnings that could potentially be replaced by his new part-time work. The earnings record will also show you his current benefit calculation, which can help you understand how much room there is for improvement. It's a great tool for planning!

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Thank you all so much for your helpful advice. I'm going to try to schedule an appointment with SSA this week to get the process started. I'll make sure to bring all the documents mentioned and copies of everything. Based on your suggestions, I think I'll apply for the survivor benefits now since I'm not earning that much at my part-time job, and then possibly switch to my own retirement benefit later if it ends up being higher. And I'll definitely check out that Claimyr service if I have trouble getting through on the phone. I really appreciate all your help during this difficult time!

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Keisha. Just wanted to add one more important point that I don't think anyone mentioned yet - you should apply as soon as possible because survivor benefits can be paid retroactively for up to 6 months from your application date, but NOT before the month of death. So the sooner you apply, the better, especially since you're already eligible at 62. Also, when you do apply, make sure to ask the SSA representative to explain both your survivor benefit options AND your own retirement benefit projections. Sometimes people focus so much on the survivor benefit that they don't realize their own benefit might actually be higher if they wait and keep working. The SSA can run scenarios for you to help you make the best decision. Good luck with everything, and again, my condolences.

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Stunned by $3,500+ Social Security survivor benefit after waiting until FRA - was it worth the 6 year wait?

Just got my survivor benefit amount from SSA and I'm still in shock! My wife passed away in 2018 from a sudden heart attack at 58. She was the primary earner in our household for 30+ years in healthcare administration. When I turned 60 back in 2019, I contacted SSA about survivor benefits. The rep told me I'd receive around $1,850 if I claimed then. I was working part-time at my daughter's small business and managing okay financially, so I decided to keep researching. After reading countless articles about reduced benefits when claiming early, I made the tough decision to wait until my full retirement age for survivors (66 and 2 months). In the meantime, I claimed my own smaller retirement benefit at 62 (about $950/month) to help with expenses. Fast forward to now - I finally reached my survivor FRA last month and applied. The SSA specialist just called with my benefit amount: $3,547 per month! That's DOUBLE what I would've received at 60! I know there have been several COLA increases, but I never expected this much difference. Has anyone else experienced this kind of jump by waiting until FRA for survivor benefits? I calculated roughly $102,000 in "lost" benefits from waiting 6+ years, but the higher monthly amount will make up for that in about 5 years. For those facing this decision now - how are you weighing the early vs. FRA survivor benefit options? I know everyone's situation is different (health issues, financial needs, etc.), but I'm curious how others approached this choice.

I just want to thank everyone for their insights! The Social Security system is so complicated, and it helps to hear from others who've navigated it. One thing I didn't mention in my original post - I almost gave up waiting about 2 years ago when my car broke down and I needed a new roof. Those were tough months living on my small retirement benefit. But I'm glad I stuck with the plan. For those currently deciding, don't forget to factor in Medicare premiums when you turn 65 - that was an expense I hadn't properly calculated and it took a bite out of my budget!

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The Medicare premiums surprised me too! And if your income goes up too much (like from taking a larger SS benefit), you can get hit with IRMAA surcharges that make Medicare even more expensive. Did that affect you at all with the higher survivor benefit?

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Fortunately no IRMAA issues for me yet, but you're right to mention it! My total income still keeps me in the lower brackets for Medicare premiums. But it's definitely something others should research if they have other income sources besides Social Security.

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Thank you for sharing your experience with such detail! As someone who's currently 59 and will face this decision next year when my husband's survivor benefits become available, your story is incredibly helpful. I'm particularly interested in how you managed the emotional aspect of this decision - it must have been difficult to keep delaying something that represented financial security during what I imagine was already a challenging time grieving your wife. Did you ever have moments where you questioned your decision to wait, especially during those tough financial periods you mentioned? I'm trying to prepare myself mentally for potentially making a similar choice, but I worry about the uncertainty of not knowing exactly what the benefit will be until you actually claim it. The SSA estimates can be helpful, but your actual amount being so much higher than the early estimate really shows how much can change over those waiting years. Also, do you have any advice for keeping track of the annual COLA adjustments while waiting? I'd like to be able to roughly monitor how my potential benefit is growing each year.

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Can my daughter keep Social Security benefits after 18 with self-study GED prep & vocational training?

Hey everyone, I need some advice about my daughter's Social Security benefits. My son turned 17 last month and has been receiving dependent benefits since I started getting SSDI in 2016. He's had a rough few years - we had to relocate in 2020 after he experienced severe harassment at school that left him with serious anxiety issues. He needed extensive therapy for almost 3 years following the trauma. He's incredibly bright - reads at college level and is more knowledgeable about current events, philosophy, and music than most adults I know. However, the traditional school structure was really detrimental to his mental health recovery. After completing what would be considered 8th grade at an online academy, he stepped back from formal education to focus on healing. He's currently working toward his GED with plans to complete it by late 2025. He's also receiving mentorship in audio engineering which he's passionate about. The problem is he's turning 18 next month, and I'm worried about him losing his benefits. I received the SSA School Attendance Statement forms which list several qualifying education types: High School, Home School, GED prep, Technical, Vocational, and "Other." Would his current self-directed GED study combined with the vocational audio engineering training qualify to extend his benefits until 19? Or do we need to enroll him in something more formalized to maintain eligibility? I appreciate any guidance here - this income is really important for his support while he gets back on track.

My neighbor's kid got approved for benefits continuation by enrolling in a program that combined GED prep with vocational training. It was technically a "transition program" for students with special needs. Maybe look into whether your county has something similar? Sometimes they're run through the school district or county services.

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That sounds like exactly what we need! I'll research transition programs in our area - hadn't thought about approaching it from the special needs angle but that makes sense given his anxiety issues. Really appreciate the suggestion.

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Also check with your local vocational rehabilitation services - they sometimes have programs specifically designed for young adults transitioning to independence. Since your son has documented anxiety issues from the school trauma, he might qualify for additional support services that could help maintain his benefits while he pursues his audio engineering training.

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I went through something similar with my nephew a few years ago. The key thing SSA looks for is that the education is "full-time" - typically 20+ hours per week. For GED prep, you'll need documentation showing he's actively enrolled in a structured program, not just self-studying. Many community colleges offer GED prep programs that would qualify, and some even have integrated vocational components. The audio engineering mentorship sounds great, but it needs to be part of a formal training program to count for SSA purposes. Trade schools or community colleges often have audio production certificates that could work. I'd recommend calling your local SSA office to discuss his specific situation - they can sometimes provide guidance on what documentation they'd need to approve the continuation. Don't wait too long though - you'll want to have everything in place before his 18th birthday to avoid any gaps in benefits.

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