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Just wondering... have u checked what ur survivors benefit would be if ur ex passes away? That's different from the ex-spouse benefit while he's alive. If he dies, u can get his FULL benefit amount (what he would get at his FRA) if that's more than your own. My mom got my dad's full benefit after he passed even though they were divorced.
One thing that might help you decide on timing is to create a break-even analysis. If you take $1,400/month at 62 versus waiting for $2,000/month at 67, you'd collect $84K over those 5 years ($1,400 x 60 months). After age 67, you'd need about 11.5 years (until age 78.5) to make up that difference with the higher monthly payments. Given average life expectancy and your health concerns, this math might actually favor taking benefits earlier in your case. You could also consider working part-time after 62 if possible - you can earn up to about $22K annually without affecting your SS benefits. Just make sure to factor in Medicare costs starting at 65 if you retire before then.
This break-even analysis is really helpful! I never thought to calculate it this way. The 11.5 years to break even puts it right around my late 70s, which honestly makes taking benefits at 62 seem more reasonable given my health concerns. The part-time work option is interesting too - I didn't realize I could earn up to $22K without it affecting my benefits. That could really make the difference in making early retirement work financially. Do you know if that earnings limit applies just to the year I turn 62, or every year until I reach full retirement age?
wait i just rememebred my cousin's husband did something with his pension and military time??? i think he got some kind of exception because he was in the military before being a firefighter? maybe theres exceptions for some people??
That's likely related to military service credit being used to increase a pension amount, which is different from the GPO issue. Military service has some special provisions, but they don't generally create exemptions from WEP/GPO unless the military service was before 1957 or meets very specific criteria. It's always worth checking individual circumstances though!
Just wanted to add my perspective as someone who went through this exact decision two years ago. I was a teacher in California for 28 years and faced the same GPO situation with my husband's Social Security. We ultimately decided to take the monthly pension instead of the lump sum, and here's why: even though the GPO reduces my spousal benefits, the guaranteed monthly income from the pension provides more security than trying to manage a large lump sum in this volatile market. The peace of mind knowing we have that steady income stream has been worth more than any potential investment gains. Plus, our pension has COLA adjustments which helps with inflation - something you lose with a lump sum. The GPO is frustrating but it's just one factor in a much bigger retirement picture.
Thanks for sharing your real experience with this decision! It's really helpful to hear from someone who actually went through it. The point about COLA adjustments is something I hadn't fully considered - that's a huge advantage over a lump sum that could get eaten away by inflation over time. We're leaning toward the monthly pension too, especially after hearing everyone confirm there's no GPO workaround. The guaranteed income does seem more valuable than trying to beat the market with a lump sum, particularly given how uncertain everything has been lately.
Just wanted to add one more thing that might be helpful - make sure you bring documentation showing continuous care and support during those 7 years of custody. Things like medical records listing you as guardians, school enrollment forms with your address, insurance cards if she was on your plan, etc. While the adoption decree legally establishes the relationship, SSA sometimes wants to see that pattern of dependency was already established. Also, if your husband has any other children receiving benefits on his record (biological or adopted), that will affect the family maximum calculation. But if this great-niece will be his only dependent child, she should get the full 50% rate. The whole process is definitely overwhelming, but you're doing great by preparing ahead of time!
This is such great advice about documenting the continuous care! I never thought about bringing insurance cards or school records, but that makes perfect sense to show the established dependency relationship. It's reassuring to hear that if she's the only dependent child, she should get the full 50% rate. We've been her primary caregivers for so long that we have tons of documentation - medical records, school stuff, even things like library cards with our address. Thank you for mentioning this, it gives me confidence we're on the right track with our preparation!
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is timing - you'll want to apply within a reasonable time after the adoption is finalized, ideally within 30 days. While there's no strict deadline, SSA can be particular about delays. Also, make sure you get a certified copy of the adoption decree, not just a regular copy. The court clerk can provide this. If your husband's SSDI started before age 62, the family maximum formula is actually more generous than for regular retirement benefits - it's typically around 85% of his PIA rather than the lower percentages that apply to retirement. This could mean your great-niece gets a higher benefit amount. One last tip: when you call to schedule the appointment, ask specifically what documents they want you to bring. Different offices sometimes have slightly different requirements, and it's better to confirm upfront than make multiple trips!
Emma Thompson
After reading through this thread, I want to offer some additional information that might help with your decision: 1. You can request a detailed benefit calculation from SSA that will show exactly what your benefit would be at 62, FRA, and 70, as well as what your husband's spousal benefit would be once you file. 2. Remember that if you file at 62, your benefit will be reduced by approximately 30% from your FRA amount for life. 3. If your husband is receiving $625/month now, and your FRA benefit would be around $3,400, then his spousal benefit would potentially increase his total to around $1,700 (half your FRA amount). 4. This means filing at 62 could give him an additional $1,075/month, but would permanently reduce your own benefit by about $1,000/month compared to what you'd get at FRA. 5. The breakeven calculation should consider both your life expectancies and immediate financial needs. Have you considered whether you might work part-time between 62-67? If you claim benefits early but continue working, you'd be subject to the earnings test, which could temporarily reduce or eliminate your benefits until you reach FRA.
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Javier Mendoza
•Thank you so much for this detailed information! I hadn't even considered the earnings test. I definitely plan to keep working until at least 65, possibly longer. So if I understand correctly, if I filed at 62 but kept working at my current salary, I might not even receive benefits until FRA anyway because of the earnings limit? I think I really need to get those exact calculations from SSA. Based on everything everyone has shared, I'm leaning toward waiting at least until my FRA to file, maybe even 70 depending on our financial situation and my husband's health in the coming years. It sounds like filing at 62 would only make sense if: 1. My husband lives for several more years to collect the increased spousal amount 2. I wasn't planning to work past 62 (which I am) 3. I had reason to believe my own life expectancy was shorter than average None of those really apply to us, so waiting is probably the smarter move financially.
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Amara Eze
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you might want to consider a "file and suspend" strategy if it's still available, though I believe the rules changed in 2016. Also, since you're still 5 years away from 62, you have time to potentially increase your benefit even more by maximizing your earnings in these final working years. Social Security calculates benefits based on your highest 35 years of earnings, so if you're earning more now than in some of your earlier years, these next 5 years could significantly boost your eventual benefit. Another consideration: have you looked into whether your husband might be eligible for any other benefits? Sometimes people miss out on things like supplemental security income (SSI) if their regular Social Security is very low, though I'm not sure if his pension would disqualify him. Given that you're planning to work until 65+ anyway and would be subject to the earnings test, waiting definitely seems like the right call. The extra spousal benefit for a few years likely won't offset the permanent reduction to your own benefit that you'd be receiving for potentially 25+ years.
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Omar Mahmoud
•Just to clarify - the "file and suspend" strategy was eliminated in April 2016, so it's no longer available. That was a strategy where someone could file for benefits to trigger spousal benefits for their spouse, then immediately suspend their own benefits to earn delayed retirement credits. You're absolutely right about maximizing earnings in these final years though! Since Social Security uses your highest 35 years of inflation-adjusted earnings, if you're earning more now than you were earlier in your career, these next few years could really boost your benefit calculation. And great point about SSI - though with a pension plus $625 in Social Security, the husband probably wouldn't qualify since SSI has pretty strict income and asset limits. But it's always worth checking if someone has very low total income. The math really does seem to favor waiting in this situation, especially with the earnings test complication if filing early while still working.
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