

Ask the community...
I'm in a very similar situation with my Italian pension! Just wanted to add another perspective from someone who went through this process recently. With your 29 years of substantial US earnings, you're in much better shape than most people facing WEP - the reduction should be minimal as others have mentioned (around $60-70/month). One thing I learned that might help: when you do contact SSA, specifically ask them to run a "totalization calculation" alongside the standard WEP calculation. Sometimes the totalization method can result in a higher benefit than the WEP-reduced amount, and SSA is supposed to give you whichever calculation is more favorable. Not all representatives know about this, so you might need to ask specifically. Also, regarding the remote work idea that others mentioned - I was able to structure some freelance work through a US payroll company while living in Italy, which allowed me to pay into Social Security. It's definitely worth exploring if you can get that 30th year! The paperwork was a bit complex but completely eliminated WEP for me. Good luck with everything - the international benefit coordination is confusing but you're asking all the right questions!
This is incredibly valuable information about the totalization calculation! I hadn't heard about SSA being required to use whichever calculation method is more favorable - that could make a real difference in my situation. I'll definitely make sure to specifically ask about running both calculations when I contact them. Your point about some representatives not being aware of this option really reinforces what others have said about getting everything in writing and working with someone who understands international cases. The fact that you successfully structured freelance work through a US payroll company while living abroad is exactly the kind of practical solution I was hoping to hear about. Do you remember if there were any specific requirements or complications with the payroll company setup that I should be prepared for? It sounds like the paperwork complexity was worth it to completely eliminate WEP! Thank you so much for sharing your Italian pension experience - it's really helping me feel more confident about navigating this whole process.
I went through almost exactly the same situation with my Swiss pension and US Social Security! With 29 years of substantial US earnings, you're actually in a really good position - the WEP reduction will be minimal (around $60-70/month as others have mentioned). The totalization agreement between US and Germany helps ensure you qualify for both benefits, but it doesn't eliminate WEP entirely. Here's what I wish I had known earlier: definitely verify all 29 years actually meet the substantial earnings threshold by requesting Form SSA-7050, and seriously consider that remote work angle to get your 30th year. I ended up doing consulting work for a US company while abroad, paid Social Security taxes on it, and completely eliminated WEP. It was absolutely worth the effort! Also, when you contact SSA, ask them to run both the standard WEP calculation AND the totalization calculation - they're supposed to give you whichever is more favorable. Not all reps know this, so be specific. Get everything in writing since phone reps often give conflicting info on international cases. You're asking all the right questions - this process is confusing but very manageable with the right information!
they never sent me ANYTHING about increases and Ive been working part time for 3 years since I got my ss!!!!
Just wanted to add my experience here - I've been in a similar situation for the past two years. Started collecting at FRA in 2022 and continued working as a freelance graphic designer. My earnings in 2023 were about $78K, which was higher than several of my earlier career years. I did get an automatic recalculation that showed up in January 2024, but like others mentioned, the increase was modest - about $41/month. What I found helpful was creating an account on ssa.gov and checking my earnings record regularly to make sure everything was posted correctly. One thing I noticed is that it can take quite a while for self-employment earnings to show up in their system compared to W-2 earnings, probably because of how SE taxes are processed. So don't panic if you don't see changes right away after filing your return. The increase is definitely worth it even if it seems small - that's an extra $492 per year, and it compounds over time with cost-of-living adjustments. Plus you're still building your earnings record which could help with future recalculations too.
That's really reassuring to hear from someone in a similar freelance situation! I hadn't thought about the self-employment earnings taking longer to process - that makes sense given the different tax filing process. $492 extra per year definitely adds up, especially when you factor in future COLA increases. I'll make sure to set up my ssa.gov account to keep track of everything. Thanks for sharing your timeline and actual numbers - it helps set realistic expectations!
One more important point - if your sister is planning to claim retirement on her own work record eventually, she needs to understand the strategy carefully. She can: 1. Take reduced survivor benefits now and later switch to her own retirement (which would continue growing until age 70) 2. Take her own reduced retirement at 62 and later switch to full survivor benefits at her full retirement age Which option is better depends on their respective earnings records. The local SSA office can run calculations to show which would give her more money long-term. Just make sure whoever she speaks with understands she wants to compare these two strategies.
I'm sorry for your family's loss. Based on what you've shared, your sister should definitely be eligible for survivor benefits since they were still legally married when he passed away. The separation doesn't matter - only the legal marital status counts. A few things to keep in mind: At 58, she can get reduced survivor benefits (around 71.5% of what she'd receive at full retirement age). However, since she's earning about $24,000, which is above the 2025 earnings limit of $22,320, her benefits will be reduced by $1 for every $2 she earns over that limit. She should apply as soon as possible since survivor benefits generally can't be paid retroactively before the application date. She'll need their marriage certificate, his death certificate, both Social Security numbers, and her birth certificate. Given her work history, it might be worth having SSA calculate whether it's better to take reduced survivor benefits now and switch to her own retirement benefit later, or take her own reduced retirement at 62 and switch to full survivor benefits at her full retirement age. The office can run these scenarios for her.
This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I'm definitely going to have her ask about those different scenarios when she applies. It sounds like there might be some strategic decisions to make depending on what the calculations show. I really appreciate everyone's help - this community has been so informative!
I'm so sorry for your loss, Natasha. My heart goes out to you during this incredibly difficult time. Having to navigate Social Security bureaucracy while grieving is just overwhelming. I wanted to add one more practical tip that helped me when I went through something similar with my late father's benefits: If you end up having trouble getting through to SSA by phone (which seems to be a common frustration based on what others have shared), try calling first thing in the morning right when they open at 8 AM local time, or late in the day around 4-5 PM. I found those times had shorter wait times. Also, when you do get your appointment scheduled, ask the representative to give you a written summary of what was discussed and the benefit amounts calculated. I learned the hard way that having everything documented prevents confusion later when the payments actually start. The advice everyone has given you here is spot-on - applying for the reduced survivor benefit now makes the most financial sense in your situation. That extra $900+ per month will provide real security and peace of mind, which is exactly what you need right now as you adjust to this major life change. Wishing you strength as you work through all of this. You're handling a very complicated situation with grace.
Thank you so much, Khalil. Those calling tips are really helpful - I'll definitely try calling right when they open at 8 AM. I've been trying in the middle of the day and getting nowhere, so maybe timing is key. You're absolutely right about getting everything in writing. After all the different answers I've gotten from various SSA representatives, I'm not taking any chances. I'm going to ask them to document every calculation and decision at my appointment. It's been such a blessing to have this community's support during this time. What started as confusion and conflicting information has turned into a clear path forward thanks to everyone's advice and shared experiences. The math is convincing - nearly $30,000 over the next few years is not something I can afford to give up, especially when I'm trying to figure out my new financial reality. I'm feeling much more confident now about applying for the survivor benefits right away. Thank you again for the practical tips and the kind words. This thread has truly been a lifeline when I needed it most.
My deepest condolences on the loss of your husband, Natasha. Having been through a similar situation myself about three years ago, I understand how overwhelming it can be to navigate these benefit decisions while grieving. Everyone here has given you excellent advice, and I want to reinforce that your decision to apply for survivor benefits now is absolutely the right one. The financial analysis is clear - you'll be significantly better off taking the reduced survivor benefit immediately rather than waiting. One thing I'd like to add from my own experience: when you go to your SSA appointment, ask them about the "deemed filing" rules. Sometimes people think they have to choose between their own retirement benefit OR survivor benefits, but actually you can be receiving both simultaneously - you just get paid the higher of the two amounts. The SSA will automatically pay you whichever benefit is larger each month. Also, make sure to ask about Medicare implications if you're not already enrolled. When your income increases from the higher survivor benefit, it might affect your Medicare premiums down the road, though this is usually a minor consideration compared to the substantial monthly increase you'll receive. The community support you've received here is wonderful, and I hope it helps ease some of the stress of this difficult transition. Your husband would want you to have this financial security.
Elliott, thank you for that additional insight about deemed filing - I wasn't aware of that concept and it's reassuring to know that SSA will automatically calculate which benefit is higher for me each month. That takes some of the worry out of making the "wrong" choice. Your point about Medicare premiums is something I should definitely ask about at my appointment. I'm already enrolled in Medicare Part B, so I'll make sure to understand how the increased income from survivor benefits might affect my costs in the future. It's been incredibly comforting to hear from people like you who have walked this difficult path before. When you're in the midst of grief, even simple decisions feel overwhelming, let alone something this complex with Social Security. Having this community share their experiences and expertise has made such a difference in my confidence about moving forward. I have my SSA appointment scheduled for next week, and I feel so much more prepared thanks to everyone's advice. I'm bringing a list of questions, all my documents, and my sister for support. The math is clear - applying for the reduced survivor benefit now is the right financial decision for my situation. Thank you for sharing your experience and for the kind words about my husband. This support means everything right now.
Leila Haddad
I think everyone's missing something important here. If your own benefit at 70 will be higher than your husband's, you should look at whether your own reduced benefit now would be higher than the survivor benefit at 91.86%. It's complicated math, but if your own benefit at FRA is significantly higher than your deceased husband's, then your own benefit reduced at age 65 might still be better than the survivor benefit. Have you checked what your own benefit would be if you claimed right now vs. the survivor benefit amount?
0 coins
Isabella Costa
•That's actually not the optimal strategy in this case. Survivor benefits and retirement benefits have different rules. The better approach is to take the reduced survivor benefit now (if needed) and let her own retirement benefit grow until 70. This is because: 1) Taking her own retirement benefit early would permanently reduce it 2) She can switch from survivor to retirement at any point 3) If she takes her own retirement early, she can't later switch to just survivor benefits So if her own benefit at 70 will be higher than the survivor benefit, she should preserve that option by not claiming her own benefit early.
0 coins
Leila Haddad
•Oh! You're absolutely right - I was confusing the rules. Thank you for the correction. So her original plan (survivor now, switch to her own at 70) is actually the optimal approach.
0 coins
Santiago Diaz
I'm in a somewhat similar situation and found it really helpful to use the Social Security website's benefit estimator to run different scenarios. You can create an account at ssa.gov/myaccount and see estimates for both your survivor benefits and your own retirement benefits at different ages. One thing that might be worth considering - since you're unemployed right now, this could actually be a good time to claim the survivor benefits even if they're reduced. You won't have to worry about the earnings test while you're job hunting, and if you do find work later, you can always reassess whether it makes sense to continue or pause the benefits depending on your new salary. Also, don't forget that any benefits withheld due to the earnings test aren't lost forever - SSA will recalculate and give you credit for those months once you reach FRA. So even if you go over the limit later, it's not as bad as it initially seems. The key thing is you've got the right strategy of preserving your own benefit until 70 if it will be higher. That 8% per year growth is hard to beat!
0 coins