Just FYI - make sure he brings TWO forms of ID when he goes to apply after he gets out. My relative forgot his second ID and they made him come back which was a whole other ordeal with transportation and taking more time off work.

One thing that might help prepare for his eventual application is to start gathering the necessary documents now while you have time to track them down. You'll need certified copies of his wife's death certificate, their marriage certificate, and his birth certificate at minimum. Getting these documents can take weeks or months depending on which states/counties they were issued in, and it's much easier to do this legwork now rather than scrambling after his release when he's dealing with other reentry challenges. Some states have online ordering systems for vital records, while others require mail-in applications. Also consider getting multiple certified copies since Social Security often wants to keep the originals for their files.

btw has anyone noticed how the COLA this year is a joke?? 3.2% when groceries go up like 20%??? not related to your question sorry just mad about it lol

As someone new to this community, I want to thank everyone for sharing their experiences and knowledge. This is exactly the kind of information I've been struggling to find elsewhere! @Sean Matthews - your situation sounds very similar to mine. I'm 61 and facing the same decision. From what I'm reading here, it seems like the key is getting your specific numbers calculated rather than relying on general rules. One thing I learned from my research is that there's also something called "restricted application" that used to be available, but it was phased out for people born after 1954. So that strategy isn't available to us unfortunately. Also, I noticed several people mentioned the difficulty reaching SSA by phone. Has anyone tried visiting a local SSA office in person? I'm wondering if that might be more effective than calling, even though it means taking time off work. The survivor benefit information from @Ali Anderson is really valuable too - I hadn't considered how that might change the equation. It makes me think we really need professional help to model out all these different scenarios.

Great question and I'm glad you're planning ahead! As others have confirmed, your pension and 401k/IRA withdrawals won't count toward the earnings test during those two years before your FRA. One additional thing to consider: if you do decide to claim at 65, make sure you understand how the monthly earnings test works. The annual limit everyone mentions gets divided by 12, so if you have any part-time work, you need to stay under about $1,833 per month (based on the ~$22,000 annual limit). They look at it month-by-month in your first year of claiming, not just the annual total. Also, don't forget that once you hit your FRA at 67, any benefits that were withheld due to the earnings test will be gradually added back to increase your monthly payment for life. So even if you did go over the limit occasionally, it's not permanently lost money. With your pension and retirement savings, you seem well-positioned for retirement at 65 if that's what you decide!

As someone who just went through this exact decision process last year, I wanted to share my experience. I was in a very similar situation - eligible for pension at 65, substantial 401k balance, and FRA of 67. After reading through all the great advice here, I ultimately decided to wait until my FRA to claim Social Security. Instead, I'm living off my pension ($1,800/month) plus strategic withdrawals from my 401k. Yes, it means dipping into my retirement accounts earlier, but the permanent 13.3% reduction in SS benefits for claiming at 65 just didn't make financial sense given my family's longevity. One thing that helped me make the decision: I calculated my "break-even" point. For me, if I live past age 78, waiting until FRA will have provided more total lifetime benefits despite getting payments for 2 fewer years. Given that both my parents lived well into their 80s, the math favored waiting. The peace of mind knowing I'll get my full Social Security benefit for life was worth the temporary inconvenience of managing retirement account withdrawals for those two years. Just another perspective to consider as you make this important decision!

Update: I finally got through to SSA this morning! The representative was actually very helpful. She explained that: 1. I need to report my estimated earnings for the year 2. They'll calculate how much I'll exceed the annual limit 3. They'll withhold some of my monthly benefits in 2025 to recover the excess amount She also confirmed what someone mentioned here - that when I reach my full retirement age, my benefit will be recalculated to credit me for the months where benefits were withheld. I feel much better knowing what to expect now instead of worrying about a surprise bill. Thanks everyone for your help!

I'm glad you got some clarity from SSA! This thread has been really helpful for understanding the earnings test - I had no idea it was based on annual income rather than monthly. I'm 61 and considering early retirement next year, but I'd also like to do some consulting work. Based on what everyone shared here, it sounds like I need to be really careful about tracking my total annual earnings and maybe even consider having benefits withheld upfront if I know I'll exceed the limit. The fact that withheld benefits actually increase your payment later at FRA is something I definitely didn't know. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world advice that's hard to find on the SSA website!

Thanks everyone! This has been incredibly helpful. Just to make sure I've got it straight: 1. For Jan-Aug 2025 (before my FRA month), I'm subject to the higher annual limit (~$60k) 2. From September 2025 onward, no earnings limit applies at all 3. If I somehow exceed the limit in those first 8 months, they'll withhold some benefits but eventually adjust my payment amount at FRA Since I'll probably earn around $65-70k by August, I might be slightly over the limit. I'll have to decide if I want to try to stay under it or just accept a small reduction for a month or two. Really appreciate all the insights!

Just want to add one more consideration - make sure your employer knows you're planning to collect Social Security while still working. Some companies have policies about this, and you'll want to coordinate with HR about tax withholdings since you'll have both W-2 income and Social Security benefits. The tax situation can get a bit complex when you have both income sources, especially if your combined income pushes you into the range where SS benefits become taxable. Might be worth running the numbers with your financial advisor to see if you need to adjust your withholdings to avoid a surprise tax bill next April!