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they never sent me ANYTHING about increases and Ive been working part time for 3 years since I got my ss!!!!
Just wanted to add my experience here - I've been in a similar situation for the past two years. Started collecting at FRA in 2022 and continued working as a freelance graphic designer. My earnings in 2023 were about $78K, which was higher than several of my earlier career years. I did get an automatic recalculation that showed up in January 2024, but like others mentioned, the increase was modest - about $41/month. What I found helpful was creating an account on ssa.gov and checking my earnings record regularly to make sure everything was posted correctly. One thing I noticed is that it can take quite a while for self-employment earnings to show up in their system compared to W-2 earnings, probably because of how SE taxes are processed. So don't panic if you don't see changes right away after filing your return. The increase is definitely worth it even if it seems small - that's an extra $492 per year, and it compounds over time with cost-of-living adjustments. Plus you're still building your earnings record which could help with future recalculations too.
That's really reassuring to hear from someone in a similar freelance situation! I hadn't thought about the self-employment earnings taking longer to process - that makes sense given the different tax filing process. $492 extra per year definitely adds up, especially when you factor in future COLA increases. I'll make sure to set up my ssa.gov account to keep track of everything. Thanks for sharing your timeline and actual numbers - it helps set realistic expectations!
One more important point - if your sister is planning to claim retirement on her own work record eventually, she needs to understand the strategy carefully. She can: 1. Take reduced survivor benefits now and later switch to her own retirement (which would continue growing until age 70) 2. Take her own reduced retirement at 62 and later switch to full survivor benefits at her full retirement age Which option is better depends on their respective earnings records. The local SSA office can run calculations to show which would give her more money long-term. Just make sure whoever she speaks with understands she wants to compare these two strategies.
I'm sorry for your family's loss. Based on what you've shared, your sister should definitely be eligible for survivor benefits since they were still legally married when he passed away. The separation doesn't matter - only the legal marital status counts. A few things to keep in mind: At 58, she can get reduced survivor benefits (around 71.5% of what she'd receive at full retirement age). However, since she's earning about $24,000, which is above the 2025 earnings limit of $22,320, her benefits will be reduced by $1 for every $2 she earns over that limit. She should apply as soon as possible since survivor benefits generally can't be paid retroactively before the application date. She'll need their marriage certificate, his death certificate, both Social Security numbers, and her birth certificate. Given her work history, it might be worth having SSA calculate whether it's better to take reduced survivor benefits now and switch to her own retirement benefit later, or take her own reduced retirement at 62 and switch to full survivor benefits at her full retirement age. The office can run these scenarios for her.
This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I'm definitely going to have her ask about those different scenarios when she applies. It sounds like there might be some strategic decisions to make depending on what the calculations show. I really appreciate everyone's help - this community has been so informative!
I'm so sorry for your loss, Natasha. My heart goes out to you during this incredibly difficult time. Having to navigate Social Security bureaucracy while grieving is just overwhelming. I wanted to add one more practical tip that helped me when I went through something similar with my late father's benefits: If you end up having trouble getting through to SSA by phone (which seems to be a common frustration based on what others have shared), try calling first thing in the morning right when they open at 8 AM local time, or late in the day around 4-5 PM. I found those times had shorter wait times. Also, when you do get your appointment scheduled, ask the representative to give you a written summary of what was discussed and the benefit amounts calculated. I learned the hard way that having everything documented prevents confusion later when the payments actually start. The advice everyone has given you here is spot-on - applying for the reduced survivor benefit now makes the most financial sense in your situation. That extra $900+ per month will provide real security and peace of mind, which is exactly what you need right now as you adjust to this major life change. Wishing you strength as you work through all of this. You're handling a very complicated situation with grace.
Thank you so much, Khalil. Those calling tips are really helpful - I'll definitely try calling right when they open at 8 AM. I've been trying in the middle of the day and getting nowhere, so maybe timing is key. You're absolutely right about getting everything in writing. After all the different answers I've gotten from various SSA representatives, I'm not taking any chances. I'm going to ask them to document every calculation and decision at my appointment. It's been such a blessing to have this community's support during this time. What started as confusion and conflicting information has turned into a clear path forward thanks to everyone's advice and shared experiences. The math is convincing - nearly $30,000 over the next few years is not something I can afford to give up, especially when I'm trying to figure out my new financial reality. I'm feeling much more confident now about applying for the survivor benefits right away. Thank you again for the practical tips and the kind words. This thread has truly been a lifeline when I needed it most.
My deepest condolences on the loss of your husband, Natasha. Having been through a similar situation myself about three years ago, I understand how overwhelming it can be to navigate these benefit decisions while grieving. Everyone here has given you excellent advice, and I want to reinforce that your decision to apply for survivor benefits now is absolutely the right one. The financial analysis is clear - you'll be significantly better off taking the reduced survivor benefit immediately rather than waiting. One thing I'd like to add from my own experience: when you go to your SSA appointment, ask them about the "deemed filing" rules. Sometimes people think they have to choose between their own retirement benefit OR survivor benefits, but actually you can be receiving both simultaneously - you just get paid the higher of the two amounts. The SSA will automatically pay you whichever benefit is larger each month. Also, make sure to ask about Medicare implications if you're not already enrolled. When your income increases from the higher survivor benefit, it might affect your Medicare premiums down the road, though this is usually a minor consideration compared to the substantial monthly increase you'll receive. The community support you've received here is wonderful, and I hope it helps ease some of the stress of this difficult transition. Your husband would want you to have this financial security.
Elliott, thank you for that additional insight about deemed filing - I wasn't aware of that concept and it's reassuring to know that SSA will automatically calculate which benefit is higher for me each month. That takes some of the worry out of making the "wrong" choice. Your point about Medicare premiums is something I should definitely ask about at my appointment. I'm already enrolled in Medicare Part B, so I'll make sure to understand how the increased income from survivor benefits might affect my costs in the future. It's been incredibly comforting to hear from people like you who have walked this difficult path before. When you're in the midst of grief, even simple decisions feel overwhelming, let alone something this complex with Social Security. Having this community share their experiences and expertise has made such a difference in my confidence about moving forward. I have my SSA appointment scheduled for next week, and I feel so much more prepared thanks to everyone's advice. I'm bringing a list of questions, all my documents, and my sister for support. The math is clear - applying for the reduced survivor benefit now is the right financial decision for my situation. Thank you for sharing your experience and for the kind words about my husband. This support means everything right now.
As a newcomer to this community, I wanted to share some additional considerations based on what I've researched for similar situations. One aspect that hasn't been fully addressed is how the Social Security Fairness Act might actually work in your favor beyond just eliminating WEP. Since your husband has 30+ years of substantial earnings outside the fire department, his Primary Insurance Amount could be significantly higher than what he might have calculated under the old rules. This higher PIA would increase both his benefit and the family maximum threshold, potentially making the numbers work better for your family even if he claims early. However, I'd also suggest looking into something called "do-over" strategies. If your husband files at 62 and you later realize the family would benefit more from him having waited, he has a 12-month window to withdraw his application (paying back what was received) and refile later. It's not ideal, but it provides some flexibility if circumstances change or if you get better information about your daughter's benefit calculations. Another practical tip: when you do speak with SSA, ask specifically about "auxiliary benefits" and the "family maximum benefit" for your situation. Using these exact terms seems to help get you connected with representatives who are more familiar with complex family benefit scenarios rather than basic retirement questions. The fact that your daughter will be eligible for 11 years makes this decision really impactful financially - definitely worth getting professional help to optimize!
Thanks for bringing up the "do-over" option, Jibriel - I had no idea that was even possible! That 12-month withdrawal window could provide some valuable flexibility, especially given all the variables we're trying to navigate. Your point about the Social Security Fairness Act potentially increasing my husband's PIA more than we expected is really interesting too. We've been so focused on just eliminating the WEP reduction that we hadn't fully considered how much higher his actual benefit calculation might be with 30+ years of substantial earnings now counting at full value. That could definitely change the math on when to claim. I'll make sure to use those specific terms about "auxiliary benefits" and "family maximum benefit" when I contact SSA - getting connected with someone who actually understands these complex scenarios seems to be half the battle based on everyone's experiences here. The 11-year eligibility period for our daughter really does make this a high-stakes decision financially. Thanks for all the practical advice!
As a newcomer to this community, I wanted to add some perspective on the timing considerations that haven't been fully explored yet. Given that your daughter will be eligible for benefits until she turns 18 (so for 11 years), you might want to consider a hybrid approach: have your husband continue working and delay Social Security until at least his full retirement age, while living off his firefighter pension in the meantime. This could maximize the total lifetime benefits for your family. Here's why this might make sense: If your husband's PIA under the new Fairness Act rules is around $1,833/month (to get $1,375 at age 62), waiting until full retirement age would mean he gets the full $1,833, your daughter gets up to 50% of that ($916), and the family maximum would be calculated on the higher amount. Over 11 years, this difference could be substantial. Also, something to keep in mind - your daughter's benefits will automatically stop when she turns 18 (unless she's still in high school), but your husband's benefits continue for life. So the decision isn't just about the next 11 years, but also about his lifetime benefit amount. I'd definitely recommend getting that detailed SSA projection others mentioned, but also consider consulting with a financial planner who can model out different scenarios including your pension, Social Security timing, and your daughter's education costs. The complexity of government pensions plus the new Fairness Act rules really warrants professional analysis.
That's a really smart way to think about it, Lucas! The hybrid approach of using the pension to bridge the gap while delaying Social Security makes a lot of sense given the long-term nature of this decision. I hadn't fully considered how the pension could provide that flexibility to optimize the Social Security timing. Your point about this affecting not just the 11 years of our daughter's eligibility, but my husband's lifetime benefits is crucial - we were getting so focused on the immediate family benefits that we weren't thinking about the 20+ years after our daughter ages out. With his firefighter pension providing income security, we really do have the luxury of time to maximize the Social Security strategy. I'm definitely going to explore this hybrid approach when we meet with a financial planner. The math is complex enough with all these variables that professional modeling seems essential. Thanks for that perspective!
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I'm in a very similar situation with my Italian pension! Just wanted to add another perspective from someone who went through this process recently. With your 29 years of substantial US earnings, you're in much better shape than most people facing WEP - the reduction should be minimal as others have mentioned (around $60-70/month). One thing I learned that might help: when you do contact SSA, specifically ask them to run a "totalization calculation" alongside the standard WEP calculation. Sometimes the totalization method can result in a higher benefit than the WEP-reduced amount, and SSA is supposed to give you whichever calculation is more favorable. Not all representatives know about this, so you might need to ask specifically. Also, regarding the remote work idea that others mentioned - I was able to structure some freelance work through a US payroll company while living in Italy, which allowed me to pay into Social Security. It's definitely worth exploring if you can get that 30th year! The paperwork was a bit complex but completely eliminated WEP for me. Good luck with everything - the international benefit coordination is confusing but you're asking all the right questions!
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Olivia Harris
•This is incredibly valuable information about the totalization calculation! I hadn't heard about SSA being required to use whichever calculation method is more favorable - that could make a real difference in my situation. I'll definitely make sure to specifically ask about running both calculations when I contact them. Your point about some representatives not being aware of this option really reinforces what others have said about getting everything in writing and working with someone who understands international cases. The fact that you successfully structured freelance work through a US payroll company while living abroad is exactly the kind of practical solution I was hoping to hear about. Do you remember if there were any specific requirements or complications with the payroll company setup that I should be prepared for? It sounds like the paperwork complexity was worth it to completely eliminate WEP! Thank you so much for sharing your Italian pension experience - it's really helping me feel more confident about navigating this whole process.
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Nia Watson
I went through almost exactly the same situation with my Swiss pension and US Social Security! With 29 years of substantial US earnings, you're actually in a really good position - the WEP reduction will be minimal (around $60-70/month as others have mentioned). The totalization agreement between US and Germany helps ensure you qualify for both benefits, but it doesn't eliminate WEP entirely. Here's what I wish I had known earlier: definitely verify all 29 years actually meet the substantial earnings threshold by requesting Form SSA-7050, and seriously consider that remote work angle to get your 30th year. I ended up doing consulting work for a US company while abroad, paid Social Security taxes on it, and completely eliminated WEP. It was absolutely worth the effort! Also, when you contact SSA, ask them to run both the standard WEP calculation AND the totalization calculation - they're supposed to give you whichever is more favorable. Not all reps know this, so be specific. Get everything in writing since phone reps often give conflicting info on international cases. You're asking all the right questions - this process is confusing but very manageable with the right information!
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