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After you get this sorted out, you might want to check if you made the optimal claiming decision. At FRA, you receive 100% of your primary insurance amount (PIA), but each year you delay past FRA (up to age 70) adds 8% in delayed retirement credits. If you're in good health and have other income sources, sometimes it's more beneficial to delay even past FRA. Just something to consider for others reading this thread - in your case, definitely claim those retroactive benefits!
That's a great point about delayed retirement credits. In my case, I needed the income to start, but I did consider waiting until 70. I guess I basically gave up 4 months of those 8% increases by applying at FRA+4 instead of waiting until 70. At least I can get the retroactive benefits for those 4 months though!
Just wanted to add another perspective here - I work as a benefits counselor and see this situation frequently. Miguel, you're definitely entitled to those 4 months of retroactive benefits. When you call SSA, be very specific and say "I want to request retroactive Social Security retirement benefits back to my full retirement age." Sometimes it helps to reference the SSA Program Operations Manual (POMS) section RS 00615.003 if the representative seems unsure. Also, don't be discouraged if the first person you talk to doesn't seem knowledgeable - ask to speak with a supervisor or technical expert if needed. The retroactive payment typically processes within 30-45 days once approved. Make sure to keep documentation of your request!
does anyone know how much theyll take back if you go over? is it like dollar for dollar or some weird calculation?
It's not dollar-for-dollar. For 2024, if you're under Full Retirement Age, SSA withholds $1 in benefits for every $2 you earn above the annual limit ($22,320 in 2024). So if you went over by $4,800, they would withhold $2,400 in benefits. If this is the year you reach FRA, different rules apply with a higher limit and only $1 withheld for every $3 over the limit.
Thanks everyone for your help! After checking my W-2 more carefully, I see the auto allowance is included in Box 1, so it does count toward my earnings. I calculated that I exceeded the limit by about $3,200, which means SSA will probably withhold around $1,600 of my benefits based on the $1-for-$2 rule. I called my employer and confirmed the auto allowance is considered additional compensation, not a direct reimbursement of expenses. I'm going to try using that Claimyr service to reach SSA and ask about my options. Would it be better to proactively pay back some benefits now, or wait for them to send me a notice? I'd rather deal with this before filing my taxes if possible.
Smart move to be proactive! You can wait for SSA to calculate the exact overpayment - they'll send you a notice after they receive your earnings information from the IRS, but that might not happen until mid-year or later. If you want to handle it now, you can contact SSA directly and inform them of your estimated excess earnings. They can calculate the overpayment and give you payment options. One important note: if you're close to your Full Retirement Age, make sure to tell them, as different rules might apply. And remember, any benefits withheld now will eventually increase your monthly payment after you reach FRA, so you're not losing the money permanently.
I'd definitely recommend being proactive rather than waiting! I went through a similar situation with survivor benefits a couple years ago. When I contacted SSA early, they were actually pretty helpful in setting up a manageable repayment plan. If you wait for the notice, you might get stuck with a larger lump sum demand or automatic withholding from future benefits that could hurt your monthly budget. Getting ahead of it gives you more control over how you handle the repayment.
Just wanted to add something important that might affect your sister - if she's working at all while on SSDI (even part-time under the SGA limits), she should be aware that the earnings test for retirement benefits works differently than SSDI work rules. Once she converts to retirement benefits at her FRA (67 for someone born in 1960), there's no limit on how much she can earn from work. But if she decides to take early retirement before her FRA, different earnings limits would apply. Since she's only turning 65 this year and her FRA is 67, she'll continue on SSDI for two more years with the same work restrictions until the automatic conversion happens.
That's a really good point about the earnings rules! I'm new to understanding all this but that seems like an important distinction. So if someone on SSDI is doing any work under the substantial gainful activity limits, they'd actually have MORE freedom to work once they convert to retirement benefits at their FRA? That could be a silver lining for people who want to continue working part-time in their later years. Thanks for explaining that - I never would have thought about the difference between SSDI work rules and retirement benefit work rules!
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm actually in a similar situation with my mom who's been on SSDI for 6 years and is turning 64 next month. Reading through all these responses, I'm realizing I need to figure out her exact FRA since it sounds like the conversion won't happen at 65 like I assumed. One question I haven't seen addressed - does SSA send any kind of annual statement or summary to SSDI recipients like they do for people who haven't filed for benefits yet? My mom used to get those statements in the mail before she went on disability, but I don't think she's gotten one since. Would be helpful to have that information to plan ahead for the conversion.
Great question about the annual statements! SSDI recipients should still be able to access their Social Security Statement through their my Social Security account online at ssa.gov. The paper statements might have stopped automatically, but you can view and print them online anytime. The statement will show her work history, estimated benefits, and most importantly for your situation - her exact Full Retirement Age. If your mom doesn't have a my Social Security account set up yet, it's really worth creating one. She can also request a paper statement by calling SSA if she prefers that, though as others mentioned, getting through by phone can be challenging. The online account also lets you check benefit payment history and any updates from SSA, which could be helpful for tracking the transition when her time comes.
As a newcomer to this community, I'm amazed at how thorough and helpful everyone has been in explaining Carmen's situation! I'm currently 55 with a spouse who's 8 years older, so while not exactly the same gap, I'm definitely taking notes on all this advice. The thing that really stands out to me is how @Liam Fitzgerald broke down those exact reduction percentages - that makes the financial impact so much clearer than just hearing "you'll get less if you file early." I had no clue about deemed filing either, which seems like a critical piece that could really trip people up if they don't understand it. @GalacticGuru, thanks for sharing that Claimyr tip - I've been putting off calling SSA for months because of the horror stories about wait times. Carmen, it sounds like you've got some great guidance here, and I hope you'll update us on what you decide to do! This thread is going in my bookmarks for future reference.
Welcome to the community, Carmen! I'm also new here and finding this thread incredibly valuable. It's reassuring to see so many knowledgeable people willing to share their experiences and expertise. The 8-year age gap you mentioned puts you in a similar boat - definitely smart to start learning about this now while you have time to plan. I was also blown away by @Liam Fitzgerald's detailed breakdown of the reduction percentages. Having those specific numbers makes it so much easier to understand the real financial impact of filing early versus waiting. The deemed filing rule was completely news to me too - it seems like one of those critical details that could really catch someone off guard if they don't know about it ahead of time. Thanks for emphasizing how helpful this discussion has been - I'm bookmarking it as well for future reference!
As someone new to this community and Social Security benefits in general, I want to echo what others have said about how incredibly helpful and informative this discussion has been! I'm currently 52 with a spouse who's 7 years older, so Carmen's situation really resonates with me. What I'm finding most valuable is how @Liam Fitzgerald has provided such clear, official guidance with those specific reduction percentages - it makes the decision much more concrete when you can see exactly what filing at each age would mean financially. The deemed filing rule was completely unknown to me before reading this thread, and it seems like such a crucial detail that could really impact someone's strategy if they don't understand it. I'm also grateful to @GalacticGuru for sharing that Claimyr service tip - I've been dreading the thought of trying to get through to SSA by phone, so having an alternative that actually works sounds amazing. Carmen, I hope you'll keep us posted on what you ultimately decide! This whole conversation is going straight into my Social Security planning folder for future reference.
Giovanni Mancini
I'm so sorry for your loss. Based on what others have shared, it sounds like you might actually be okay filing in March since your January-June earnings ($29K) would likely be under the 2025 limit. But I wanted to add something I learned when my mom went through this - make sure to ask SSA about the monthly earnings test option too. In addition to the annual earnings limit, there's also a monthly test that can sometimes be more favorable if your earnings vary throughout the year. For any month where you earn less than 1/12th of the annual limit (so probably under $4,900/month for 2025), you can receive your full survivor benefit for that month regardless of your annual total. This might give you more flexibility if you have any lower-earning months or can time things like bonuses or vacation payouts. Definitely worth asking about when you call SSA!
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Molly Hansen
•This is really valuable information about the monthly earnings test! I had no idea there was an alternative way to calculate this. That could definitely be helpful since my pay varies a bit month to month with overtime and bonuses. Do you know if you have to choose between the annual and monthly test, or does SSA automatically apply whichever one is more favorable to you? This gives me another good question to ask when I finally get through to them. Thank you for sharing what you learned from your mom's experience!
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Diego Fisher
I'm really sorry for your loss. This is such a difficult time to be dealing with these complex financial decisions on top of everything else you're going through. From what I've learned in my own research (though I haven't been in your exact situation), the key seems to be that you're right at the borderline where this could work in your favor. With a $58K annual salary, your January-June earnings would be roughly $29K, which should be well under the projected 2025 earnings limit of around $59K. One thing I'd suggest is also looking into whether you have any control over the timing of income in those first six months - like deferring bonuses, taking unpaid time off, or adjusting overtime if possible. Even small adjustments could give you more buffer room under the limit. The other commenters have given great advice about calling SSA for a personalized calculation. Given that you're so close to the threshold, it's definitely worth getting an official answer rather than guessing. The peace of mind alone would be worth the effort of getting through to them. Best of luck with whatever you decide - there's no wrong choice here, just different trade-offs between getting benefits sooner versus avoiding any potential complications.
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