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Social Security survivor benefits question - will I get 82.5% of husband's PIA or his reduced benefit if I claim at 62?

Hello everyone, I'm struggling with a difficult decision. My husband (69 now) claimed his Social Security retirement at 62 due to some serious health issues that have been progressing. I'm turning 62 next month and facing a choice - continue working or start claiming my own benefits so we can enjoy whatever time we have left together. We definitely need the income one way or another. My main concern is about survivor benefits if he passes before me. If I claim at 62 (taking the 30% reduction) and later he pre-deceases me, would I receive 82.5% of his Primary Insurance Amount as my survivor benefit? Or would I just get whatever reduced benefit he's currently receiving? I visited our local Social Security office last week but got conflicting information from two different representatives. At 82.5% of his full PIA long-term, I'd probably go ahead and claim early. But if I'd only get his current reduced amount, I might keep working instead. Any insights from those who understand these survivor benefit rules would be so appreciated. This decision feels overwhelming right now.

quick question - does anyone know if the 82.5% gets any cost of living adjustments? or is it frozen at that amount forever?

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Yes, survivor benefits do receive the annual Cost of Living Adjustments (COLAs), just like all other Social Security benefits. So the 82.5% of PIA would increase with inflation over time.

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I'm so sorry you're dealing with this stressful situation during an already difficult time. Based on what others have shared here, it sounds like the survivor benefit calculation is indeed separate from what your husband is currently receiving. One thing that might help is requesting a written benefit estimate from SSA that specifically shows both scenarios - what you'd receive if you claim your own benefits at 62, and what the projected survivor benefit would be at 82.5% of his PIA. Having those numbers in writing could make this decision much clearer. Also, given the conflicting information you received at the SSA office, you might want to consider scheduling a follow-up appointment and bringing some of the documentation from SSA's website about survivor benefits to reference during your meeting. Sometimes having the official rules printed out helps ensure everyone is on the same page. Wishing you and your husband all the best during this challenging time.

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Can I earn over income limit while receiving survivor benefits before reaching my FRA in July 2025?

I lost my husband last September (he was 72) and I'm trying to figure out when I can start receiving survivor benefits without penalties. My full retirement age is July 2025, but I understand I might be able to file for survivor benefits as early as March 2025, four months before my FRA. The problem is, I'm still working full-time and my salary is definitely over the earnings limit (somewhere around $58,000/year). Does anyone know if I file for survivor benefits in March 2025, will I be subject to the earnings test penalty since I'm not at my FRA yet? Or do I need to wait until July when I reach FRA to avoid any deductions from my survivor benefits? I've heard conflicting information about whether the month you file or the month you reach FRA is what matters for the earnings limit. Any insights would be greatly appreciated!

so sorry about your husband. this stuff is so complicated!! i wish the SS website explained things better

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Thank you. And yes, it's incredibly complicated! I've spent hours on the SSA website and still feel confused about how all the rules work together.

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I went through something similar when my husband passed in 2022. One thing that helped me was creating a spreadsheet to track my monthly earnings and projected totals. Since you're earning $58K annually, your January-June earnings would be around $29K, which should be well under the 2025 earnings limit (probably around $59K based on the 2024 limit of $56,520). However, I'd strongly recommend calling SSA or visiting your local office to get a personalized calculation. They can run the numbers based on your specific situation and give you a clearer picture of whether filing in March would trigger any benefit reductions. The "pre-adjudication" service mentioned earlier might be worth looking into as well. Also consider that even if you do go over the earnings limit slightly, the reduction is temporary - you'll get those benefits back when you reach FRA through higher monthly payments. Sometimes it's still worth filing early even with a small penalty, especially if you need the income.

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Can I get retroactive Social Security benefits for 4 months between FRA and when I applied?

I just realized I might have messed up big time with my Social Security retirement benefits. I reached my full retirement age (FRA) in January, but I didn't actually apply for benefits until May (4 months later). I've been receiving payments since May, but now I'm wondering - am I entitled to retroactive benefits going back to my FRA in January? That's potentially thousands of dollars I might have left on the table! The SSA website is confusing me and I can't get through on the phone. Has anyone successfully received retroactive benefits in a similar situation? How do I request this retroactive payment?

After you get this sorted out, you might want to check if you made the optimal claiming decision. At FRA, you receive 100% of your primary insurance amount (PIA), but each year you delay past FRA (up to age 70) adds 8% in delayed retirement credits. If you're in good health and have other income sources, sometimes it's more beneficial to delay even past FRA. Just something to consider for others reading this thread - in your case, definitely claim those retroactive benefits!

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That's a great point about delayed retirement credits. In my case, I needed the income to start, but I did consider waiting until 70. I guess I basically gave up 4 months of those 8% increases by applying at FRA+4 instead of waiting until 70. At least I can get the retroactive benefits for those 4 months though!

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Just wanted to add another perspective here - I work as a benefits counselor and see this situation frequently. Miguel, you're definitely entitled to those 4 months of retroactive benefits. When you call SSA, be very specific and say "I want to request retroactive Social Security retirement benefits back to my full retirement age." Sometimes it helps to reference the SSA Program Operations Manual (POMS) section RS 00615.003 if the representative seems unsure. Also, don't be discouraged if the first person you talk to doesn't seem knowledgeable - ask to speak with a supervisor or technical expert if needed. The retroactive payment typically processes within 30-45 days once approved. Make sure to keep documentation of your request!

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Social Security survivor benefits & auto allowance - will exceeding earnings limit cause overpayment?

I'm currently receiving survivor benefits while working part-time. I've been really careful to stay under the 2024 earnings limit ($22,320), but just got a shock when reviewing my W-2. My employer included $4,800 as "auto allowance" in Box 14, which pushes me over the limit if it counts toward earnings! I didn't realize this might happen. I drive my personal vehicle for work occasionally and get reimbursed, but never thought about how SSA would view this. Does anyone know if auto allowance counts toward the earnings test limit? Will I be facing an overpayment notice? I'm worried I'll have to pay back some of my survivor benefits now. I understand it's taxable income, and I'm fine with paying taxes on it. I just don't want to get hit with an unexpected Social Security overpayment. Has anyone dealt with this specific situation before?

does anyone know how much theyll take back if you go over? is it like dollar for dollar or some weird calculation?

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It's not dollar-for-dollar. For 2024, if you're under Full Retirement Age, SSA withholds $1 in benefits for every $2 you earn above the annual limit ($22,320 in 2024). So if you went over by $4,800, they would withhold $2,400 in benefits. If this is the year you reach FRA, different rules apply with a higher limit and only $1 withheld for every $3 over the limit.

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Thanks everyone for your help! After checking my W-2 more carefully, I see the auto allowance is included in Box 1, so it does count toward my earnings. I calculated that I exceeded the limit by about $3,200, which means SSA will probably withhold around $1,600 of my benefits based on the $1-for-$2 rule. I called my employer and confirmed the auto allowance is considered additional compensation, not a direct reimbursement of expenses. I'm going to try using that Claimyr service to reach SSA and ask about my options. Would it be better to proactively pay back some benefits now, or wait for them to send me a notice? I'd rather deal with this before filing my taxes if possible.

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Smart move to be proactive! You can wait for SSA to calculate the exact overpayment - they'll send you a notice after they receive your earnings information from the IRS, but that might not happen until mid-year or later. If you want to handle it now, you can contact SSA directly and inform them of your estimated excess earnings. They can calculate the overpayment and give you payment options. One important note: if you're close to your Full Retirement Age, make sure to tell them, as different rules might apply. And remember, any benefits withheld now will eventually increase your monthly payment after you reach FRA, so you're not losing the money permanently.

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I'd definitely recommend being proactive rather than waiting! I went through a similar situation with survivor benefits a couple years ago. When I contacted SSA early, they were actually pretty helpful in setting up a manageable repayment plan. If you wait for the notice, you might get stuck with a larger lump sum demand or automatic withholding from future benefits that could hurt your monthly budget. Getting ahead of it gives you more control over how you handle the repayment.

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Social Security Disability to Medicare transition - what happens when SSDI recipient turns 65?

My sister has been receiving SSDI benefits for the past 9 years after a serious car accident. She's turning 65 this December and I'm trying to help her figure out what happens next. Does she need to apply for regular Social Security retirement or does SSDI automatically convert? Also confused about Medicare - she already has Medicare through her disability, so does anything change there when she hits 65? Should she be calling SSA to set something up, or will they reach out to her with instructions? Thanks for any guidance!

Just wanted to add something important that might affect your sister - if she's working at all while on SSDI (even part-time under the SGA limits), she should be aware that the earnings test for retirement benefits works differently than SSDI work rules. Once she converts to retirement benefits at her FRA (67 for someone born in 1960), there's no limit on how much she can earn from work. But if she decides to take early retirement before her FRA, different earnings limits would apply. Since she's only turning 65 this year and her FRA is 67, she'll continue on SSDI for two more years with the same work restrictions until the automatic conversion happens.

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm actually in a similar situation with my mom who's been on SSDI for 6 years and is turning 64 next month. Reading through all these responses, I'm realizing I need to figure out her exact FRA since it sounds like the conversion won't happen at 65 like I assumed. One question I haven't seen addressed - does SSA send any kind of annual statement or summary to SSDI recipients like they do for people who haven't filed for benefits yet? My mom used to get those statements in the mail before she went on disability, but I don't think she's gotten one since. Would be helpful to have that information to plan ahead for the conversion.

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Great question about the annual statements! SSDI recipients should still be able to access their Social Security Statement through their my Social Security account online at ssa.gov. The paper statements might have stopped automatically, but you can view and print them online anytime. The statement will show her work history, estimated benefits, and most importantly for your situation - her exact Full Retirement Age. If your mom doesn't have a my Social Security account set up yet, it's really worth creating one. She can also request a paper statement by calling SSA if she prefers that, though as others mentioned, getting through by phone can be challenging. The online account also lets you check benefit payment history and any updates from SSA, which could be helpful for tracking the transition when her time comes.

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