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This is such valuable information! As someone new to Social Security, I had no idea that working past FRA could actually increase your monthly benefits through recalculation. I'm 66 and considering when to start collecting - I was planning to wait until 67 (my FRA) but hadn't thought about the possibility of continuing to work afterward for this additional benefit. Reading through everyone's experiences, it seems like the key factor is whether your current earnings are significantly higher than your lowest years in the 35-year calculation. I've been in tech for most of my career, so my early years in the mid-90s were definitely much lower than what I'm making now (around $95k currently vs maybe $35k back then). A couple follow-up questions: Does anyone know if there's a limit to how many years this recalculation can happen? Like if I work 5 years past FRA, could I potentially see increases each of those 5 years if my earnings stay high? And is the benefit increase permanent once it happens, or does it get recalculated again if you eventually stop working? Thanks to everyone for sharing such detailed real-world examples - this kind of practical information is so much more helpful than trying to decipher the SSA website!
Great questions! Yes, you can potentially see increases each year you work past FRA as long as your current earnings are higher than the lowest year in your 35-year calculation. There's no limit on how many years this can happen - it continues until all your lowest earning years have been replaced by higher ones. The increases are permanent once they happen - they don't get recalculated downward when you stop working. Your benefit will continue at that higher level for life (plus annual COLA adjustments). With your progression from $35k in the mid-90s to $95k now, you're in an excellent position for substantial increases. Tech careers often show this pattern of dramatic salary growth over time, which works perfectly for this type of recalculation benefit. As someone new to SS, I'd suggest creating your mySocialSecurity account online if you haven't already - you can view your complete earnings history there and estimate which years might get replaced. It's really eye-opening to see how much your early career earnings were compared to now, even after indexing!
As someone who's new to this community and just learning about Social Security, I'm amazed by how much practical information is being shared here! I'm currently 66 and still working, making about $78k annually. Looking back at my earnings history from the late 80s and early 90s, I was making significantly less - probably in the $20k-35k range during those years. Reading through everyone's experiences gives me hope that I might see a meaningful increase when I start collecting at my FRA next year and continue working. The fact that this recalculation happens automatically is such a relief - I was worried I'd have to navigate complex paperwork or procedures. One thing I'm curious about: for those who've experienced these increases, do you find it's better to work consistently for several years past FRA, or can you see benefits even from just one or two additional years? I'm trying to balance the financial advantages with other life goals and would love to hear more perspectives on timing strategies. Thank you all for creating such a welcoming space for newcomers to learn about these important benefits!
This has been an incredibly informative discussion! As someone who helps people navigate Social Security benefits, I want to add one more consideration that could be crucial for your planning: the restricted application strategy. Since you'll be under your full retirement age when potentially eligible for survivor benefits, you'll have the advantage of being able to claim survivor benefits while letting your own retirement benefit continue to grow with delayed retirement credits until age 70. This could potentially increase your own benefit by 24% beyond your full retirement age amount. However, it's important to understand that once you switch from survivor benefits to your own retirement benefit, you can't switch back. So the timing of that decision becomes critical - you'll want to switch when your own benefit (including delayed retirement credits) exceeds what you'd receive in survivor benefits. Given your income level and the earnings test withholdings, you might find that the optimal strategy is actually to wait until closer to your FRA to claim survivor benefits, then potentially delay your own retirement until 70 if your benefit would be significantly higher. Also consider that if you have any children under 18 (or under 19 if still in high school), they could also be eligible for survivor benefits on your wife's record, which wouldn't be subject to the earnings test. The complexity of these decisions really underscores why speaking with a knowledgeable SSA representative is so valuable for your specific situation.
This is exactly the kind of strategic insight I was hoping to understand! The idea of letting my own benefit grow with delayed retirement credits until 70 while receiving survivor benefits is really appealing - that 24% increase could make a significant difference in our long-term financial security. You're absolutely right about the timing being critical since I can't switch back once I move from survivor benefits to my own. I'm definitely going to need to run some detailed calculations comparing survivor benefits at different claiming ages versus my own benefit with delayed credits. Fortunately, we don't have any minor children, so that's not a factor in our situation. But I really appreciate you mentioning it since other people reading this thread might benefit from knowing about children's survivor benefits. The complexity of all these interconnected decisions is definitely making me realize why professional guidance is so important. Between the earnings test, delayed retirement credits, the one-way nature of switching benefits, and all the timing considerations, there are a lot of moving pieces to coordinate. I feel much more confident now about approaching SSA with informed questions rather than just general confusion. This discussion has given me a solid foundation to build on. Thank you for adding this crucial strategic perspective!
As a newcomer to understanding Social Security, I have to say this discussion has been incredibly enlightening! I'm in a somewhat similar situation - my spouse and I have a significant age gap, and I had no idea about the flexibility of survivor benefits until reading this thread. One question I have after reading through all these excellent responses: Is there a "best practices" guide or worksheet that SSA provides to help people work through these different scenarios? It seems like there are so many variables (earnings test, delayed retirement credits, FRA timing, etc.) that having a structured way to compare options would be really helpful. Also, I'm curious about the tax implications of survivor benefits. Are they taxed the same way as regular Social Security retirement benefits? This seems like another important factor in the decision-making process that hasn't been mentioned yet. Thank you to everyone who has shared their knowledge here - this is exactly the kind of practical information that's hard to find elsewhere!
I just wanted to update everyone. I finally got through to a supervisor at SSA who confirmed that YES, I can take ONLY survivor benefits at my FRA without taking my own retirement benefits. She explained I need to be very explicit when applying that I'm only applying for widow's benefits. Thank you all for your help and advice - it gave me the confidence to keep pushing for a clear answer!
That's great news! Make sure to get the supervisor's name and direct extension if possible for when you actually file. Also request a written confirmation of this policy if they can provide it. When you do file, review all paperwork carefully before signing to ensure it only shows an application for survivor benefits. Glad you got the right information!
I'm so sorry for your loss and glad you were able to get a clear answer from SSA! Your story really highlights how important it is to be persistent and ask for supervisors when needed. For anyone else reading this thread who might be in a similar situation - I went through this process myself 18 months ago and found it helpful to bring a printed copy of SSA's Program Operations Manual (POMS) section RS 00615.001 which specifically covers survivor benefit applications. Having the official policy in writing seemed to help clarify things with the representative. Also, when you do apply, consider doing it in person at your local office rather than online or by phone - you can review everything before signing and make sure they understand exactly what you're requesting. Best of luck with your application!
This is incredibly helpful advice! I'm new to this community but going through something similar - my father passed recently and I'm trying to navigate survivor benefits for my mother. The POMS reference is particularly valuable since it gives you official documentation to reference. Quick question for anyone who's been through this - when you mention bringing printed copies of the policy, did you find certain sections more useful than others? Also, is there a specific way to phrase your request that helps ensure the rep understands you only want one type of benefit? Thanks for sharing your experience!
One thing I'd add based on my experience helping my mom with this same situation - consider scheduling your appointment for early in the morning if possible. The SSA representatives tend to be less rushed and more thorough earlier in the day. Also, if your local office offers appointments (not all do), definitely take that over walking in. And here's something nobody mentioned yet - make sure you understand what happens at age 70 when you switch to your own retirement benefit. You'll need to contact SSA again to make that switch, and there can be a gap in payments if you don't time it right. My mom's advisor recommended filing for her retirement benefit about 2-3 months before her 70th birthday to ensure seamless transition. Just something to keep in mind for your future planning! Also seconding what others said about bringing a written statement - I helped my mom type up a one-paragraph summary that she handed to the rep, and they really appreciated having it spelled out so clearly.
This is such valuable information about the transition at 70! I hadn't even thought about the potential gap in payments when switching from survivor benefits to my own retirement benefit. That's definitely something I need to plan for and discuss with SSA when I apply. The timing of filing 2-3 months before my 70th birthday makes perfect sense. And I love the tip about morning appointments - I've noticed that with other government offices too, people are generally more helpful when they're not stressed from a long day. I'm definitely going to request an early appointment when the time comes. Thank you for thinking ahead to that transition piece - it's exactly this kind of real-world experience that makes this community so helpful!
I'm going through a very similar situation and this thread has been incredibly helpful! One thing I wanted to add that my financial advisor emphasized - make sure you get a written confirmation or summary letter after your appointment that clearly states you've applied for survivor benefits only and that your retirement benefit remains unaffected. My advisor also suggested asking the SSA rep to walk through the exact dollar amounts you'll receive as survivor benefits versus what your retirement benefit would be at 70, just so you can confirm the strategy still makes sense with the actual numbers. Sometimes the projected amounts can be different than what people initially calculated. Also, has anyone dealt with the situation where you're receiving survivor benefits and then get remarried before age 60? I know it affects eligibility, but I'm curious about the timing rules. Not planning to remarry anytime soon, but want to understand all the implications of this decision. Thanks again to everyone who shared their experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world advice you can't get from the SSA website!
Yara Nassar
Just wanted to add my experience as someone who went through this transition last year. I was incredibly anxious about the earnings limit too, especially since I had a good consulting opportunity that would put me well over any previous limits. I'm happy to report that everything everyone has said here is accurate - once you hit FRA, you're completely free from the earnings test. I've been earning significantly more than I ever did before retirement, and my SS benefits have remained exactly the same each month. The only "gotcha" was at tax time when I discovered that yes, a good portion of my benefits were taxable due to my higher income, but that's just regular income tax, not a reduction in benefits. Don't let anyone scare you with incorrect information - the SSA website is very clear on this, and it's one of the few things that actually works exactly as advertised!
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Paolo Rizzo
•Thank you for sharing your real-world experience! This is exactly the kind of reassurance I was looking for. It's so helpful to hear from someone who actually went through this transition recently and can confirm that it works as promised. I really appreciate you taking the time to share the details about your consulting work and how it all played out. This gives me the confidence to move forward with my own plans without worrying about any hidden gotchas with the earnings limit.
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Salim Nasir
As someone who works in benefits administration (though not for SSA), I can confirm what others have said here. The earnings test completely disappears at Full Retirement Age for Social Security retirement benefits. I've seen so many people get confused by this because they mix up different concepts - earnings limits vs. taxation, SSI vs. retirement benefits, etc. Your neighbor might be thinking of the old rules from decades ago, or confusing it with other programs. The key thing to remember is that "earnings test" and "income taxation" are two totally different things. After FRA, there's no earnings test period, but your benefits may still be subject to regular income tax depending on your total income. The SSA has gotten much better at explaining this on their website over the years. Good luck with your application process!
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PixelPioneer
•This is really helpful to hear from someone who works in benefits administration! You're absolutely right about how easy it is to mix up these different concepts. I think that's exactly what happened with my neighbor - he was probably thinking of some other program or old rules. I really appreciate everyone taking the time to explain the difference between the earnings test and taxation. It makes so much sense now that they're completely separate things. Thanks for the encouragement about the application process too - feeling much more confident about moving forward now!
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