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Social Security application income question - can I file with missing 2024 tax return?

I'm finally taking the plunge to apply for my Social Security retirement benefits, but I'm stuck on the very first income section. The application is asking for my current year income (2024) plus the previous two years, but I haven't filed my 2024 taxes yet since it's still early in the year. My situation is a bit unusual - I don't have any earned income, just occasional casino winnings that are pretty unpredictable. I honestly don't know what my total 2024 income will be at this point. I do have proper tax returns for 2022 and 2023 though. Do I need to wait until I've filed my 2024 taxes to complete my SS application? Or is there a way to proceed now and just skip over or estimate the 2024 income question? I was hoping to get this process started ASAP since I've heard it can take months to process. Any advice from people who've been in a similar situation?

jsut be careful with those casino winnings cause they might make your SS benefits taxable if you win too much. happened to my brother last year and he was shocked when he had to pay taxes on his SS

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That's a good point about taxation. Up to 85% of your Social Security benefits can become taxable if your combined income (adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + half of your Social Security benefits) exceeds certain thresholds. For individuals, benefits start becoming taxable when combined income exceeds $25,000, and more so above $34,000. This doesn't affect your actual benefit amount - you'll still get the same monthly payment. It just means some portion might be subject to income tax.

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I just went through this process last month! For 2024 income, I put "estimated" and entered my best guess. The online system accepted it without any issues. One tip: have all your documents ready before you start the online application. The system times out after a while, and you might lose your progress if you have to go hunting for information mid-application. I learned this the hard way!

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Great tip about having documents ready! What documents did you end up needing besides tax returns? I have my birth certificate and driver's license ready, but wondering if there's anything else I should gather before starting.

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For the online application, you'll mainly need your Social Security number, birth certificate, and tax returns for the past 2-3 years. If you have a spouse, you might need their information too. Bank account details for direct deposit are helpful to have ready as well. The application will guide you through exactly what's needed, but having your tax returns organized definitely speeds things up!

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Social Security benefit not increased despite higher 2024 earnings - AIME recalculation confusion

Is anyone else confused about these supposed 'adjustment' deposits from SSA? Several people in my retirement group mentioned getting additional money deposited this month because SSA recalculated their benefits using 2024 earnings that replaced a lower earning year in their calculation. I KNOW my 2024 income ($72,500) was higher than at least two of my previous years that factored into my original calculation, but my recent benefit statement shows the exact same monthly amount I've been receiving all along - $2,245. I actually filed for reconsideration back in March because I suspected there were problems with my computation, specifically that my 2024 earnings didn't seem to increase my AIME at all. It's been 4 months and I haven't heard anything about my reconsideration request. Has anyone successfully gotten SSA to properly recalculate their benefits with more recent higher-earning years? What documentation did you need to provide? I'm wondering if I should just keep waiting or if I need to be more proactive before they just deny it.

If you're still concerned, I'd recommend printing out your complete earnings record from your my Social Security account and doing a manual calculation (or at least identifying your lowest 2-3 years that would be replaced). The SSA has calculators online that can help you estimate how much difference the new earnings would make. That way when you do speak with someone, you'll have specific information to discuss rather than just a general concern.

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That's a great idea. I'll download my earnings history and identify the specific years that should be replaced. Having that information ready will probably help move things along when I follow up on my reconsideration.

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I'm in a similar boat but from a different angle - I've been getting disability benefits for 5 years and worked part-time in 2024 earning about $15,000 (under SGA limits). I'm wondering if those earnings would trigger any kind of recalculation for my disability benefits or if the automatic recomputation process only applies to retirement benefits? I haven't seen any adjustment deposits and my benefit amount hasn't changed. Does anyone know if disability beneficiaries get the same automatic earnings recalculations that retirement beneficiaries do?

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Filing for Social Security at 64 with tax-delinquent spouse - Will filing separately affect my SS benefits?

I'm planning to claim my Social Security retirement benefits early next year (January 2025) when I turn 64. My situation is complicated by my husband's financial issues. We've been married 42 years, but he's 8 years older and already receiving his SS benefits after we had a brief separation a few years back. The problem is his tax situation. I've always been our main income provider while he ran several small businesses that failed. He has years of unfiled taxes and potential IRS problems. I've been filing as 'married filing separately' to protect myself from his tax issues. So far, the IRS hasn't come after him (surprisingly). I've made sure all our financial accounts and assets are solely in my name for protection. My questions are: 1. How will my 'married filing separately' status affect my Social Security benefit amount when I start collecting in 2025? 2. Will his tax problems potentially impact my benefits? 3. Since my lifetime earnings are significantly higher than his, should I be concerned about him potentially being entitled to benefits based on my record? I just want to make sure I'm not creating problems for myself by how I've structured things to protect my finances from his poor decisions. Any insights appreciated!

super simple! they only asked about MY work history and earnings. they didnt even ask about my husband except to verify i was married. just bring ur marriage certificate, birth certificate, and photo id when u go. the whole thing took like 30 min and most of that was just waiting

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Thanks! That makes me feel better about the application process. I'll make sure to have all those documents ready.

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Based on everything discussed here, it sounds like you've done an excellent job protecting yourself financially. I went through a similar situation with my ex-husband's tax issues before our divorce. The key points that have been mentioned are spot-on: 1. Your Social Security benefits are calculated solely on YOUR earnings record - filing separately doesn't change that amount 2. Your benefits are protected from his tax liabilities as long as you maintain separate filing status 3. If he qualifies for spousal benefits on your record, it doesn't reduce your amount - it's additional money for him One thing I'd add: consider getting a written statement from SSA about your projected benefits before you file. You can create a my Social Security account online to see your estimated benefits at different claiming ages. This will help you confirm your $2,800 estimate and plan accordingly. Also, don't let anyone pressure you to file jointly "for tax savings" - the protection you've built by keeping everything separate is worth far more than any potential tax savings, especially given his history of tax problems. You've been smart about this!

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Social Security survivor benefits after mom's death - what are options for dad (77) and adult child?

My mom unexpectedly passed away last week and I'm trying to figure out all the Social Security steps we need to take. Dad is 77 and already receiving his own SS retirement benefits (about $2,250/month). Mom was getting around $1,750/month. I'm 42, fully employed, not disabled. I've heard something about survivor benefits, but I'm confused about what applies in our situation. Does Dad automatically get Mom's benefits now? Do I need to report her death to SSA or does the funeral home do that? Is there any death benefit I should apply for? I'm completely overwhelmed with handling all the arrangements and just want to make sure we're not missing anything important with Social Security. Dad is still in shock and I'm trying to handle as much as I can for him.

I'm so sorry for your loss. Having gone through this with my own family, I'd recommend creating a checklist to help manage all the tasks during this difficult time. Here's what worked for us: 1. Call SSA directly at 1-800-772-1213 to confirm the death was reported - don't rely solely on the funeral home 2. Ask specifically about the $255 lump-sum death payment (there's usually a 2-year time limit to apply) 3. Have your dad apply for survivor benefits even though he'll keep receiving his higher amount - it establishes a record in their system 4. Monitor his account for any erroneous payments and don't spend them if they appear 5. Check if any Medicare premiums were being deducted from your mom's benefit that need to be transferred The SSA phone lines can be really backed up, so try calling early in the morning or late in the week. If you can't get through, consider having your dad visit a local SSA office with you. Bring multiple copies of the death certificate. Take care of yourself during this process - handling administrative tasks while grieving is exhausting.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Harper. My heart goes out to you and your father during this incredibly difficult time. I wanted to add one more resource that might be helpful - if you're having trouble getting through to SSA by phone, many local SSA offices allow you to schedule appointments online at ssa.gov. Sometimes an in-person visit can be more efficient than trying to get through on the phone, especially for complex situations like this where you're handling multiple issues at once. Also, I noticed several people mentioned the funeral home reporting issue. In my experience, this happens because funeral homes typically only report deaths to the state vital records office, and there can be a delay before that information reaches SSA. So definitely make that direct call to verify. One last thing - if your father uses direct deposit for his Social Security, make sure his bank account information is current with SSA. Sometimes when there are changes to benefits or when survivor applications are processed, there can be temporary holds or issues with payments that are easier to resolve if everything is up to date. You're handling so much right now, and it sounds like you're being incredibly thoughtful about making sure nothing falls through the cracks. Don't hesitate to reach out for help from other family members or friends when you need it.

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Social Security retirement starting but got unexpected $288 deposit - Medicare premium refund?

I'm scheduled to get my first Social Security retirement payment in February (for January benefits). However, I just noticed a random direct deposit of about $288 in my account today. Could this be a refund for Medicare premiums I already paid? The amount is close but about $20 off from what I calculated I paid. There's no memo or explanation on the deposit, and nothing shows up in my mySocialSecurity account about it. I'm not worried exactly, but I'm the type who likes everything accounted for and explained (call me obsessive with my record-keeping!). Has anyone else experienced unexpected deposits when starting their benefits? Should I just wait for the February payment to see if it all makes sense then? Thanks for any insight!

Just to follow up - this is definitely a Medicare premium refund. One thing to know is that SSA works on a month-behind schedule for Medicare premiums. So when you get your February payment, it will have January's Medicare premium deducted. The system is basically refunding you for premiums you directly paid that will now be covered through the automatic deduction system. It should all straighten out within 1-2 payment cycles.

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Thanks for confirming! The month-behind schedule explains a lot. I'll keep track of everything to make sure it all balances out over the next couple of months.

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I had a similar experience when I started my benefits last year! Got a mystery deposit of $265 about two weeks before my first official payment. Like others have said, it was definitely a Medicare premium refund. The timing can be confusing because SSA processes these refunds as soon as they set up your benefit deductions, but your actual monthly payments follow a different schedule. The good news is once everything is set up, it runs smoothly. Just make sure to keep records of all these transactions for your taxes - those Medicare premium payments and refunds can affect your medical deductions.

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