Can my wife win TWC appeal with former manager as witness after termination for policy violation?
My wife got terminated last week for supposedly violating a company policy and her unemployment claim was immediately denied by TWC. Here's the situation though - during her onboarding training, her supervisor SPECIFICALLY told her it was okay to do exactly what she got fired for. The company handbook technically says it's not allowed, but her training manager explicitly said "don't worry about that part, everyone does it this way instead." The kicker is that this training manager quit the company about a month ago but has agreed to testify that he did in fact tell her to perform the task that way. We've already requested an appeal hearing but I'm wondering what our chances are? Does having the former manager as a witness make this winnable? Has anyone successfully appealed a misconduct termination with a similar situation? The hearing is scheduled for March 9th and we're super stressed about finances if this doesn't work out.
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Sophie Footman
This is definitely worth appealing! I won my case in a similar situation last year. The key thing TWC looks at is whether your wife INTENTIONALLY disregarded company policy. If she was explicitly told by a manager that something was acceptable practice (despite what the handbook says), she wasn't knowingly violating policy. Having that former manager testify is GOLD. Make sure you:\n\n1. Get a written statement from the former manager before the hearing\n2. Have them available to call in during the actual appeal hearing\n3. Prepare your wife to clearly explain she was following her training\n4. Submit any training materials or emails that might support this\n\nThe hearing officer will be looking at whether she had reasonable belief she was doing her job correctly. A manager's direct instruction definitely creates that reasonable belief.
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Daniel Rivera
Thanks for the detailed response! That's really encouraging to hear. We'll definitely get a written statement - I hadn't thought of that. Do you think we should hire an attorney for the appeal hearing or is this something we can handle ourselves?
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Connor Rupert
idk the specifics but my couson had something similar happen - got fired for somethin they told him was ok to do. the appeal took FOREVER tho, like 6 weeks before he got a decision. he did win but said the hearing was super stressful and the company had their lawyer there trying to trip him up.
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Daniel Rivera
6 weeks?! That's way longer than we were hoping for. Did your cousin get backpay for all those weeks once he won?
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Molly Hansen
I'm an employment law paralegal (not an attorney), and I handle TWC appeals regularly. This is a strong case based on what you've described. In Texas, the burden is on the employer to prove misconduct, and \
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Brady Clean
Thats BS that companies try to say \
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Skylar Neal
wait does the witness actually matter if the policy was written in the handbook? my brother got denied even tho he said his supervisor told him it was ok because \
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Molly Hansen
Great question. It's not a simple yes/no answer. Written policies do carry significant weight, but there are many TWC precedent cases where verbal instructions from management created a defense to misconduct allegations. It depends on factors like:\n\n- How clear was the written policy?\n- Was the policy consistently enforced?\n- What level of management gave the contradicting instructions?\n- Was the employee reasonably relying on those instructions?\n\nThe fact that this was during TRAINING is particularly helpful for OP's wife's case.
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Daniel Rivera
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Brady Clean
OMG the EXACT same thing happened to my sister-in-law!!! She was told by her team lead that everyone uses their phone during downtime (against written policy) then got fired when a different manager caught her. Her appeal is still pending but it's been WEEKS with no decision. TWC is SO SLOW! I'm going to tell her about the former manager witness thing - that might help her case too!
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Kelsey Chin
My appeal took 22 days for the decision letter to arrive after my hearing. The waiting is awful, but if you win, they do pay you for all the weeks since your initial claim, including the waiting period. Make sure your wife continues to request payment every two weeks during the appeal process!
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Sophie Footman
One more important thing: make sure your wife meets the work search requirements during the appeal process! Even though benefits are denied right now, if she wins the appeal, TWC will only pay for weeks where she properly requested payment AND completed her work search activities. The current requirement is 3 work search activities per week in most Texas counties. She needs to log these in her TWC account even while the appeal is pending.
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Daniel Rivera
Oh that's really good to know. She's been applying for jobs but hasn't been logging them since the claim was denied. I'll make sure she starts recording everything in the system.
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Norah Quay
did she get the denial in writing? what reason code did they use?
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Daniel Rivera
Yes, we got a determination letter that says she was disqualified due to
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Kelsey Chin
I won my appeal in a similar case last year. The hearing officer asked me very specific questions about what I was told during training versus what was in the employee handbook. Be prepared for questions like \
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Skylar Neal
do they record these hearings? i'm super nervous about mine coming up
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Connor Rupert
why was she lissening to the trainer instead of jus reading the handbook tho? like did she ever even look at the policy?
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Daniel Rivera
She did read the handbook when first hired, but during hands-on training the manager specifically told her and the other new hires \
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