Why do some people owe more taxes while others get refunds at tax time?
So I just finished filing my 2024 taxes and I'm totally confused. I ended up owing the IRS almost $870 but my coworker (we make similar salaries) got back like $2300!! We both work at the same company and have similar situations - no kids, both rent apartments, both single. I don't understand why I'm paying and she's getting paid. This doesn't make any sense to me. I checked my W-4 and I claim 0 allowances so shouldn't I be getting money back? I'm so frustrated with this whole tax system. Can someone explain in simple terms why some people end up owing while others get big refunds? Is there something I'm missing on my tax forms or some deduction I should be taking?
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GalacticGuardian
The main reason people end up in different tax situations (owing vs. getting refunds) comes down to withholding throughout the year, not necessarily your actual tax liability. When you fill out your W-4, you're essentially telling your employer how much to withhold from each paycheck for taxes. If too little is withheld during the year, you'll owe at tax time. If too much is withheld, you'll get a refund. Your coworker is likely having more tax withheld from each paycheck than you are, which means they're essentially giving the government an interest-free loan all year and getting it back at tax time. The W-4 form changed significantly in 2020, so claiming "0 allowances" isn't actually a thing anymore. You might want to check if you're using outdated terminology, which could mean your withholding isn't set up correctly.
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Dmitry Smirnov
•But I thought claiming 0 meant MORE taxes taken out of each check? Shouldn't that mean I get a bigger refund? Also, is there a way to figure out exactly how much to withhold so I don't owe next year?
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GalacticGuardian
•Under the old W-4 system, claiming "0" did generally mean more tax withheld, but the form doesn't use allowances anymore. The current W-4 asks more specific questions about multiple jobs, spouse's income, dependents, and other adjustments. You can use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator on their website to figure out exactly how much you should have withheld. It lets you enter your expected income, deductions, credits, and current withholding to determine if you need to submit a new W-4 to your employer. I recommend doing this soon so you have most of the year to spread out any withholding changes.
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Ava Rodriguez
I was in a similar situation last year and was totally frustrated about owing taxes despite thinking I'd set everything up right. Then I found this tool called taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) that helped me understand what was happening with my withholdings. It analyzed my pay stubs and tax situation and showed me exactly where the problem was - turned out I had accidentally checked a box on my W-4 that was reducing my withholding without me realizing it! The tool basically does a "tax checkup" midyear so you don't get surprised at tax time. It showed me that I needed to have an additional $75 withheld from each paycheck to break even on my taxes. Super helpful for seeing these problems before filing season.
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Miguel Diaz
•Does it work for more complicated situations? I have a regular job but also do some freelance work on the side. Would it help me figure out my quarterly payments too?
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Zainab Ahmed
•I've tried other tax calculators and they're always super complicated. How user-friendly is this one? I'm not great with tax terminology.
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Ava Rodriguez
•For freelance work situations, absolutely - it's actually even more useful if you have multiple income sources. You can input both your W-2 income and your freelance income, and it will tell you not just what your withholding should be at your main job, but also what you should be setting aside for quarterly estimated payments on your freelance work. As for user-friendliness, that's actually what I liked most about it. It uses simple language and asks straightforward questions without all the tax jargon. It explains things as you go and translates the complicated tax concepts into plain English.
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Miguel Diaz
So I took the advice from this thread a few months ago about using taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) and I'm just coming back to say it was a game changer for me! I adjusted my withholding based on what it recommended and I'm now tracking to get a small refund next year instead of owing $1500 like I did this year. It was especially helpful with calculating how much I needed to set aside for my side gig income - turns out I was WAY underpaying on my quarterly estimates. Just wanted to share since it solved exactly the problem the original poster was talking about!
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Connor Gallagher
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if you're constantly getting blocked trying to call the IRS to ask about your withholding situation, try using Claimyr (https://claimyr.com). It's this service that gets you through to an actual IRS agent without the hours of waiting and disconnects. I was trying to figure out a similar withholding issue and kept getting the "call back later" message whenever I called the IRS. I was super skeptical at first, but you can see how it works in this video: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c. Basically it navigates the phone tree and holds your place in line, then calls you when an agent is about to pick up. I ended up talking to someone who walked me through exactly how to adjust my withholding so I wouldn't owe next year. Saved me hours of frustration and solved my problem.
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AstroAlpha
•Wait, you actually got through to a real IRS person? I thought that was impossible these days. How long did the whole process take?
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Yara Khoury
•Sounds fishy to me. Why would I need a service to call the IRS? Can't you just keep calling until you get through? I'm not giving my info to some random company just to make a phone call.
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Connor Gallagher
•The whole process took about 35 minutes - but the key is I wasn't sitting there listening to hold music the entire time. I just went about my day until I got the call that an agent was ready. Way better than the multiple hours I wasted trying to call directly. Regarding your skepticism, I totally get it - I felt the same way at first. You don't actually give them any personal tax info. They just help connect the call and get you through the IRS phone system. The alternative for me was taking a day off work to sit on hold, which would have cost me way more in lost wages. After trying to get through on my own for two weeks, this was a lifesaver.
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Yara Khoury
I need to eat my words from my previous comment. After getting absolutely nowhere with the IRS for weeks (and being on hold for 2+ hours only to get disconnected THREE TIMES), I reluctantly tried Claimyr yesterday. I was connected to an actual IRS rep within 40 minutes, and they helped me understand exactly why I was owing taxes despite having what I thought was the correct withholding. Turns out I had checked a box on my W-4 that wasn't applicable to my situation, which was causing my employer to withhold too little. The agent walked me through exactly how to fix my W-4 for next year. So yeah, I was wrong and it actually worked. Just wanted to update since I was so skeptical before.
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Keisha Taylor
Another thing to consider is your deductions vs. your coworker's. Even with similar salaries, if she has more deductible expenses than you do (maybe she has student loans, makes charitable contributions, has medical expenses, etc.), her taxable income would be lower than yours. Also, tax credits make a HUGE difference. If she qualifies for any credits that you don't (education credits, retirement savings contributions credit, etc.), that could easily explain the difference in refunds.
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Sofia Torres
•I hadn't thought about the credits angle! I do have student loans but haven't been making payments since the pandemic pause. Maybe I should start again to get that interest deduction? Also, does contributing to my company's 401(k) help with taxes? My coworker puts in like 10% of her paycheck and I'm only doing 3%.
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Keisha Taylor
•Yes, student loan interest can give you a deduction of up to $2,500, depending on your income. That's definitely something to consider now that payments have resumed. Contributing to your 401(k) absolutely helps with taxes in two ways. First, it reduces your taxable income directly since those contributions are pre-tax. Second, depending on your income level, you might qualify for the Retirement Savings Contributions Credit (also called the Saver's Credit), which could be worth up to $1,000 as a direct reduction of your tax bill. The higher contribution percentage your coworker is making could definitely be part of why she's getting a better tax outcome than you.
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Paolo Longo
has anyone else noticed that the whole tax system is basically designed to be super confusing? like why can't they just tell us what we owe instead of making us figure it out and then punishing us if we get it wrong? it's ridiculous tbh
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Amina Bah
•Some European countries actually do this! They send you a pre-filled tax form with all the information they already have, and you just verify it's correct or make adjustments. The US system is complicated partly because of the tax preparation lobby that makes billions from our confusion.
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Zoe Kyriakidou
I went through the exact same situation last year! What really helped me was understanding that a tax refund isn't actually "free money" - it's just getting back your own money that you overpaid throughout the year. Your coworker is essentially giving the government an interest-free loan with every paycheck. Here's what I'd recommend: First, use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator online to figure out your ideal withholding amount. Second, consider increasing your 401(k) contributions - even bumping from 3% to 6% could significantly reduce your taxable income. Third, make sure you're claiming all eligible deductions like student loan interest if you have it. The goal shouldn't necessarily be getting a big refund - ideally you want to break even or owe just a small amount, which means you kept more of your money in your pocket throughout the year instead of lending it to the IRS for free. Once I adjusted my W-4 and increased my retirement contributions, I went from owing $600 to getting back about $150, which is pretty much the sweet spot.
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