< Back to IRS

StormChaser

Why am I owing over $1k in taxes after claiming zero allowances on my W-4?

So frustrated right now... My wife and I just did our taxes and somehow we owe over $1k to the IRS despite both of us claiming zero allowances on our W-4 forms. Last year we filed jointly too and got about $130 back, so I'm completely blindsided by this. The weird part is we actually made around $13k more this year compared to last year, but somehow paid $1.3k LESS in income taxes through our paychecks (even though our increase didn't push us into a new tax bracket). The math checks out that we owe this money, but I'm just totally confused about how this happened. If we both claimed zero allowances, shouldn't enough taxes have been withheld from our paychecks? Why would we end up paying less in withholding when making more money? It makes no sense. I know the IRS does payment plans and we'll figure something out, but more importantly - what do I need to do to make sure this doesn't happen again next year? I thought claiming zero allowances was supposed to prevent this exact situation! Anyone else run into this problem or know what might have caused it?

Dmitry Petrov

•

This is actually a common issue that confuses a lot of people. The W-4 form underwent significant changes in 2020, and the concept of "allowances" was completely removed from the form. So if you're still thinking in terms of "zero allowances," you might be using outdated terminology that doesn't apply to the current withholding system. With the current W-4, you need to account for multiple income sources (like both spouses working) by checking a box in Step 2 or using the more detailed worksheet. Many couples who both work end up underwithholding because the default calculations at each job assume that's your only income. The reason you might have paid less in taxes despite earning more could be related to changes in how your employer calculated withholding based on the updated W-4 guidelines, or possibly changes in other deductions or credits that affected your overall tax picture. To fix this for next year, I'd recommend completing a new W-4 with your employer. Use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator tool online to get a more accurate picture of what you should be withholding based on both your incomes.

0 coins

StormChaser

•

Ok this makes way more sense now. I had no idea they got rid of allowances entirely! So when my HR department still refers to "claiming zero" they're basically using outdated language for "withhold the maximum"? So for the new W-4, is the right approach for us to check the box in Step 2 since we both work? And should we also put additional withholding amounts in Step 4(c)?

0 coins

Dmitry Petrov

•

Yes, your HR department is likely using outdated terminology. The new W-4 doesn't have a simple "withhold the maximum" option like the old zero allowances approach. Checking the box in Step 2 is definitely recommended for two-earner households. This uses a simplified calculation that essentially cuts the standard deduction and tax brackets in half for each job, which helps prevent underwithholding. If you want to be more precise, you could use the worksheet or the online estimator. And yes, putting an additional amount in Step 4(c) gives you extra protection against owing at tax time - many couples add $20-50 per paycheck here as a buffer.

0 coins

Ava Williams

•

After having a similar shock with owing taxes, I started using taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) and it's been super helpful for figuring out withholding issues. I uploaded my pay stubs and tax docs there, and it showed me exactly where my withholding was off by analyzing the numbers. The tool pointed out that my wife and I were both claiming the full standard deduction at our separate jobs (which was causing underwithholding), and showed me exactly what numbers to put on our new W-4s. We adjusted mid-year last year and our refund this year was almost exactly zero (which is actually ideal - not giving the government an interest-free loan).

0 coins

Miguel Castro

•

Does this actually work for couples where one person has irregular income? My husband has a normal W-2 job but I'm a contractor with really unpredictable earnings through the year. Can taxr.ai handle situations like that or is it mainly for people with regular paychecks?

0 coins

I'm skeptical about these tax tools. How is this different from just using the IRS withholding calculator? Does it actually tell you something the IRS tool doesn't? Also how much does it cost?

0 coins

Ava Williams

•

It works well for irregular income too! You can upload 1099s and bank statements showing your contractor deposits, and it will help calculate appropriate quarterly estimated payments based on your earning patterns. The difference from the IRS calculator is it actually analyzes your real documents instead of just the numbers you input manually. It caught several deductions I was missing and identified that both our employers were using outdated withholding calculations. The analysis is more comprehensive than just answering questions on the IRS site.

0 coins

Miguel Castro

•

Just wanted to update that I tried taxr.ai after asking about it here and it was super helpful! I uploaded my husband's W-2 and my 1099s, and it immediately showed that we were heading for a $2,300 tax bill next year if we didn't make changes. The tool gave us specific instructions for fixing his W-4 and calculating my quarterly payments that actually made sense for our situation. What I really liked is that it explained everything in plain English instead of tax jargon. It even created a personalized withholding schedule for the rest of the year. Definitely worth checking out if you're in the same boat as the original poster!

0 coins

If you're already in the situation of owing taxes and need to deal with the IRS, I highly recommend using Claimyr (https://claimyr.com). I was in a panic when I got hit with a surprise $1,500 tax bill and couldn't get through to anyone at the IRS after trying for literally days. Claimyr got me connected to an actual IRS agent in about 15 minutes when I had been trying for over a week on my own. The agent set up a payment plan that worked for my budget with minimal penalties. You can see how it works in this video: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c It saved me so much stress and probably saved me money on penalties too since I was able to set up the payment arrangement quickly before things escalated.

0 coins

LunarEclipse

•

How does this actually work? Like are they just calling the IRS for you or what? I don't understand how they can get through when normal people can't.

0 coins

Yeah right. The IRS phone system is completely broken. I've called over 30 times and never gotten through. No way some service can magically get you through when millions of people can't even get past the automated system. Sounds like a scam to me.

0 coins

They use a technology that navigates the IRS phone system and holds your place in line. When they're about to connect with an agent, you get a call so you can talk directly with the IRS person. It's not that they have a special "back door" - they're just using the same phone system but with tech that keeps trying and holding. No, it's definitely not a scam. They don't talk to the IRS for you or ask for any sensitive information. They just connect you directly with an IRS agent so YOU can talk to them. It's basically like having someone wait on hold for you instead of you having to do it yourself for hours.

0 coins

I need to eat my words about Claimyr. After posting my skeptical comment, I was desperate enough to try it because I've been trying to reach the IRS about a payment plan for weeks. It actually worked! Got connected to an IRS agent in about 20 minutes when I'd wasted hours upon hours trying myself. The agent was able to set up my payment plan and even waived a penalty because I'd been trying to contact them for so long. Still annoyed that a service like this needs to exist, but I'm now convinced it's legitimate and actually works. Would have saved myself a lot of stress if I'd tried it sooner instead of being stubbornly skeptical.

0 coins

Yara Khalil

•

The W-4 change in 2020 really messed a lot of people up. My wife and I had a similar issue last year. What fixed it for us was: 1) We both checked the box in Step 2(c) on our W-4s that says "If there are only two jobs total, you can check this box" 2) We each put an extra $75 per paycheck in Step 4(c) as additional withholding After making those changes mid-year, our tax situation evened out. This year we're getting a small refund of about $200, which is perfect. The IRS withholding calculator is helpful but honestly kind of confusing to use.

0 coins

Keisha Brown

•

Did both of you need to check the box in Step 2, or just one of you? I've read conflicting things about this and don't want to withhold too much either.

0 coins

Yara Khalil

•

We both checked the box, but I've since learned that was actually withholding too much. The correct approach is for only one spouse to check the box, not both. We ended up over-withholding a bit which is why we got that small refund. The safest approach is to use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator online. It will give you specific instructions for each spouse's W-4. Usually it tells one person to check the box and the other not to, plus suggests additional withholding amounts if needed.

0 coins

Has anyone used TurboTax's W-4 withholding calculator? My tax preparer recommended it over the IRS one but I'm not sure if its worth paying for when the IRS one is free.

0 coins

Amina Toure

•

I've used both and honestly the IRS one is better. The TurboTax one tries to upsell you on their paid tax prep services and doesn't give you as detailed instructions for filling out the W-4. Save your money and just use the free IRS Tax Withholding Estimator.

0 coins

IRS AI

Expert Assistant
Secure

Powered by Claimyr AI

T
I
+
20,132 users helped today