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Khalil Urso

Claimed 0 allowances but still owe thousands in taxes - WHY???

So frustrated right now. My husband and I both claimed 0 allowances on our W-4s, filed as married, and have no dependents. I put 15% into my company 401k and my husband did 10% (his is a Roth so it's taxed now not in retirement). We made around $5,300 in savings interest which apparently increased our tax bill by about $1,200. We can contribute $6,900 (like $3,450 each) to IRAs which brings down what we owe to roughly $4,300. But I'm seriously confused how we still owe so much when we both claimed 0 allowances! Shouldn't we be breaking close to even (or maybe owing a little just because of the savings interest)? Did my employer screw up at the beginning of the year and not withhold enough? What can we do to make sure we don't get hit with a huge bill next year? Just have extra taken out of each paycheck? This is killing our emergency fund and I'm seriously annoyed right now.

This is a common situation many married couples face! When both spouses work, claiming "0" allowances often isn't enough to cover your total tax liability. The W-4 withholding tables weren't designed perfectly for two-income households. The issue is that each employer calculates withholding as if that job is your only income, not accounting for your combined income pushing you into higher tax brackets. Plus, investment income like your savings interest doesn't have automatic withholding. For next year, you have several options: 1. Use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator (search for it on the IRS website) to get a more accurate picture 2. Both select "married but withhold at higher single rate" on your W-4s 3. Add an additional dollar amount to be withheld from each paycheck 4. Make quarterly estimated tax payments to cover the investment income Contributing to traditional IRAs was a smart move to reduce your tax bill! You might also look into other tax-advantaged accounts like HSAs if you're eligible.

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Does the "married filing jointly but withhold at higher single rate" option actually work well? My spouse and I are in a similar situation and I'm thinking about changing our W-4s for 2025. Would both of us need to select that option or just one of us?

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Yes, the "married but withhold at higher single rate" option can work very well for two-income households. It essentially tells your employer to withhold taxes as if you were single, which typically results in more being withheld than the standard "married" rate. I would recommend both of you select this option on your W-4s. This approach usually works best when both spouses have relatively similar incomes. If there's a significant income disparity, you might want to use the IRS Withholding Estimator for more precise guidance tailored to your specific situation.

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I was in this exact situation last year! After owing $5k to the IRS despite claiming zero allowances, I discovered taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) and it was a game-changer. I uploaded our tax documents and it analyzed everything to show exactly why we were underwithholding despite claiming zero. The tool found that our two-income household was pushing us into a higher bracket that neither employer was accounting for in their withholding. It also spotted that our investment income wasn't being factored in anywhere. The most helpful thing was that it created a personalized withholding recommendation that showed exactly what to put on our new W-4s. We followed the guidance and submitted new W-4s in April last year, and our tax situation this year is SO much better - actually getting a small refund instead of owing thousands.

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How does this actually work? Do you need to have your current year tax forms ready or does it work with previous year's returns too? I'm already worried about next year and want to fix our withholding ASAP.

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Sounds too good to be true tbh. The IRS has their own withholding calculator that's free. What makes this better enough to be worth paying for? Not trying to be negative just genuinely curious if it's that much better.

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It works with either current paystubs or previous returns - I used our 2024 returns since we had just filed when I found it. It analyzes all your income sources together, which is what the IRS calculator does too, but I found the interface much easier to understand. What made it worth it for me was the specific guidance on filling out the W-4. The IRS calculator gives you numbers but I still wasn't sure exactly where to put them on the form. This spelled everything out precisely. Plus it found some deductions we'd missed that the basic calculators don't look for. Not saying the free options aren't good, but this saved me hours of stress and probably paid for itself with the additional deductions it found.

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Just wanted to update everyone. I was the skeptical one above, but I decided to try taxr.ai after continuing to research our withholding problem. Have to admit I was wrong - it was actually really helpful! The analysis explained exactly why we were underwithholding despite claiming zero (turns out it was a combination of both our employers using old W-4 calculations plus our investment income). The guidance for filling out our new W-4s was super clear, with step-by-step instructions that we followed exactly. We submitted the updated forms to our HR departments last week. The real test will be next tax season, but the projection shows we should be within $200 of breaking even rather than owing $4k+ like this year. What I appreciated most was how it broke down exactly where our tax liability was coming from - made it much easier to see why claiming "0" wasn't enough in our situation.

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How exactly does this work? Does it actually get you to a real IRS person or just some third-party tax advisor? The hold times are ridiculous but I'm hesitant to use services I'm not familiar with.

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This sounds like a scam. How can they possibly get you through the IRS queue faster than anyone else? The IRS phone system is notoriously bad for everyone. I'll stick with waiting on hold for 3 hours like everyone else.

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It connects you with actual IRS agents - the same ones you'd talk to if you called directly. The service basically waits on hold for you and calls you when an agent picks up. You're talking to official IRS representatives who can access your tax records and provide the same help you'd get by calling directly. The technology monitors the IRS phone system and calls you when your turn comes up. It's not cutting in line or anything shady - you're still in the same queue as everyone else, but you don't have to personally sit there listening to hold music for hours. I was skeptical too but it legitimately worked and saved me a ton of time and frustration.

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Alright, I need to eat crow here. After posting that skeptical comment above, my frustration with the IRS hold times got the better of me and I tried Claimyr. To my surprise, it actually worked exactly as described. I got a call back when an IRS agent was on the line and had a 20-minute conversation that resolved all my withholding questions. The agent confirmed that for two-income households, both spouses should generally select "married but withhold at higher single rate" on W-4s, and they helped me calculate an additional withholding amount based on our investment income. They also explained why the standard withholding tables often underestimate tax liability for our situation. I've already submitted updated W-4s to both our employers with the correct adjustments. Estimating we'll be within $500 of breaking even next year instead of owing thousands. Sometimes you have to admit when you're wrong!

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Another option nobody mentioned yet - you could make estimated quarterly tax payments to cover the difference. My wife and I do this for our investment income. We just send the IRS a payment each quarter using Form 1040-ES. It's pretty simple once you get the hang of it, and it prevents that shock at tax time. Plus, it helps avoid underpayment penalties if you owe a lot.

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Would we calculate those quarterly payments just based on our investment income or would we need to factor in possible underwithholding from our regular jobs too? And is there some calculator to figure out how much to send each quarter?

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You'd want to account for both the investment income and any potential underwithholding from your jobs. The simplest approach is to take what you owed this year (your $4,300) and divide by 4 - that would be roughly $1,075 per quarter. That's assuming your income situation stays similar. There's actually a worksheet in the Form 1040-ES instructions that helps you calculate exactly what you should pay. Alternatively, if you pay at least 100% of last year's tax liability (or 110% if your AGI is over $150,000), you're generally safe from underpayment penalties even if you end up owing more when you file.

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Did you guys get any big one-time payments or bonuses? Those can be withhheld at a lower rate sometimes (like 22%) even if your actual top tax bracket is higher. Happened to me last year and threw everything off!

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This is such a good point! My company withholds exactly 22% from bonuses regardless of my W-4 settings, and it's never enough. I always have to request additional withholding when I get my annual bonus.

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