Can employer be under-withholding federal taxes? What's going on with our W4 settings?
I'm really confused about our tax withholding situation. My income is $295K and my spouse makes about $470K annually. We always file jointly as married, but on both of our W4 forms, we've selected single with 0 federal and 0 state withholding. Based on our combined income, we should be in the 35% tax bracket. The problem is that my employer only seems to be withholding about 20% for federal taxes, and my spouse's employer is only taking out around 25%. After doing some calculations, it looks like we're going to end up owing around $11K to the IRS next year! I'm totally confused by this. I always thought that if you put single/zero/zero on your W4, your employer would withhold the maximum amount possible. Is this not accurate? Are our employers making some kind of mistake with our withholdings? I know I could revise the W4 to request a specific additional amount (like asking them to withhold an extra $500 per paycheck), but I'd really prefer they just withhold the correct amount from the beginning without my intervention. To clarify my question — if both my wife and I have our W4s set to single/zero/zero, how is it even possible that we would owe anything, let alone $11K? This is our only source of income. I was under the impression that single/zero/zero meant we'd basically break even at tax time, neither owing money nor getting a refund. What am I missing here?
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Sofia Rodriguez
The issue here isn't necessarily that your employers are under-withholding - they're likely following the withholding tables correctly. The problem is that your W4 selections don't account for your combined household income in a two-earner situation. When you select "single" with zero adjustments on your W4, each employer calculates withholding as if that job is your only income, and as if you're single. They don't know about your spouse's high income. So your employer withholds as if you're a single person making $295K, and your spouse's employer withholds as if they're a single person making $470K. The tax brackets work differently when those incomes are combined on a joint return. Plus, at higher income levels, there are additional taxes and phaseouts of certain deductions that kick in. The 2020 version of the W4 actually has a specific section for two-earner households (Step 2). You have a few options to fix this:
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NightOwl42
•Thank you for explaining! I had no idea that checking "single" means they calculate as if I'm single AND that job is my only income. That makes so much more sense now. So what specific options do I have to fix this? Should we both switch to "married" on our W4s, or is there a better approach? I just don't want to be surprised with a huge tax bill next April.
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Sofia Rodriguez
•You have several options to address this situation. The simplest would be to use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator tool online. Input all your information from both jobs, and it will tell you exactly how to fill out both W4s to get the right withholding. If you prefer a more manual approach, you could keep the "single" checkbox but use Step 4(c) of the W4 to request additional withholding. Based on your numbers, maybe $450-500 extra per paycheck for each of you would cover the shortfall. Or you could switch to "married filing jointly" but check the box in Step 2(c) for multiple jobs or working spouse, which applies higher single rates to your withholding.
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Dmitry Ivanov
After dealing with a similar nightmare last year (owed $9k!), I found this amazing AI tool called taxr.ai that helped me figure out the exact withholding I needed. I plugged in our pay stubs and last year's return, and it immediately showed me what was happening with our withholdings and how to fix them. I was in a similar boat - two high incomes and not enough withheld despite thinking I had the right settings. The tool at https://taxr.ai basically analyzed all my tax documents and showed me EXACTLY how to fill out both of our W4s, plus it gave me projections for what we'll owe next year under different scenarios. It even showed me which specific IRS withholding tables were being used for each of our paychecks and why that wasn't enough for our combined income.
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Ava Thompson
•Sounds interesting but I'm curious - does it actually look at the tax withholding tables themselves? I've been trying to figure out why my company seems to be withholding at different rates than my previous employer even though my W4 settings are identical.
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Miguel Herrera
•I've tried a couple tax calculators before but they always seemed to underestimate what I actually end up owing. Does this actually work for people with investment income too? Or just W-2 income?
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Dmitry Ivanov
•Yes, it actually analyzes the official IRS withholding tables and shows you exactly which tables your employer is using based on your pay frequency, filing status, and income level. It helped me understand why my new job was withholding differently despite having the same W4 settings. For investment income, it absolutely handles that too. You can input all your sources of income including dividends, capital gains, rental properties, etc. It was actually the investment income that was causing most of my withholding shortfall since that income isn't subject to automatic withholding.
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Ava Thompson
I just wanted to follow up - I tried that taxr.ai site that was mentioned and it was SUPER helpful! I uploaded my last paystub and my spouse's, and it immediately showed us we were heading for a $7,300 underpayment next April. The analysis explained exactly why this was happening - turns out our employers were correctly following the withholding tables, but those tables don't account for our combined income pushing us into a higher bracket. The tool generated new W4 forms for both of us with the exact dollar amount we each needed to add to our withholding to break even next year. Just submitted the updated forms to HR yesterday. Such a relief to have this fixed before we got stuck with a huge bill!
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Zainab Ali
If you're still having trouble getting through to anyone at the IRS to confirm the right withholding approach, try Claimyr. I was in the same boat last year - owed $13K and couldn't figure out why, and the IRS phone lines were IMPOSSIBLE. I'd be on hold for 2+ hours and then get disconnected. I found this service at https://claimyr.com that got me through to a real IRS agent in about 15 minutes. They have this system that basically waits on hold for you and then calls you when an actual human picks up. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c The IRS agent I talked to explained exactly how the withholding tables work with multiple high incomes and confirmed what I needed to put on my W4. Totally worth it versus wasting hours on hold.
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Connor Murphy
•Wait, is this for real? The IRS phone system is the absolute worst. I tried calling them 4 times about my withholding situation and gave up every time. How exactly does this work? Seems too good to be true.
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Yara Nassar
•I'm skeptical. The IRS doesn't have a special line for people who use some random service. You're probably just getting connected to the same hold line everyone else uses, but paying for the privilege. Has anyone actually verified this works?
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Zainab Ali
•It's definitely real! It doesn't use any special IRS line - it just automates the hold process. Basically it uses a system that waits on hold for you and has some technology that detects when a human answers, then immediately connects you. I was skeptical too until I tried it. The way it works is pretty simple - you tell them which IRS department you need to reach, and their system dials in and navigates all those annoying menu options and then sits on hold instead of you. When an actual IRS agent picks up, you get a call connecting you directly to that person. Saved me literally hours of frustration.
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Yara Nassar
Well I'm eating my words about that Claimyr service. After waiting on hold with the IRS for 3+ hours yesterday and getting disconnected, I decided to try it this morning. Got connected to an actual IRS agent in 20 minutes without having to sit by my phone. The agent confirmed exactly what others here have said - the "single" withholding option on each job doesn't account for the combined income on a joint return. She walked me through exactly how to calculate the additional withholding needed (around $580 per paycheck for me, $450 for spouse). Much easier than I expected and now I've got the right withholding set up for the rest of the year. Should break even come tax time instead of owing thousands.
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StarGazer101
Just to add another perspective - you might want to consider whether you actually WANT to withhold exactly the right amount. My spouse and I are in a similar income bracket (about $800k combined) and we actually prefer to slightly underwithhold and make quarterly estimated tax payments instead. The advantage is we keep control of that money throughout the year rather than giving the government an interest-free loan. We put the money that would have been withheld into a high-yield account, and then make the required quarterly payments to avoid penalties. As long as you pay in at least 100% of your previous year's tax liability through withholding and estimated payments (or 110% if your AGI was over $150k), you won't face any underpayment penalties.
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NightOwl42
•That's an interesting approach I hadn't considered! About how much do you typically underwithhold? And do you just make equal quarterly payments, or is there some calculation involved? I'm intrigued by the idea of having more control over our money throughout the year.
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StarGazer101
•We typically underwithhold by about 15% of our total expected tax liability. For someone in your situation, that might mean underwithholding by around $30,000 total for the year, or $2,500 monthly that stays in your accounts instead of going to the IRS. The quarterly payments don't have to be equal if your income fluctuates, but we keep it simple and just divide our expected shortfall by 4. The payment due dates are April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15 of the following year. You can make them online at the IRS website using Direct Pay or EFTPS. Just make sure you're meeting that safe harbor of 110% of your previous year's tax liability (since you're over the $150k AGI threshold). That's the easiest way to guarantee no penalties regardless of this year's actual liability.
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Keisha Jackson
Has anyone used the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator for this situation? I tried using it but felt like I was still guessing at some of the inputs. Our income is close to OP's and we have the same problem every year!
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Paolo Romano
•I use it all the time and find it really accurate, but it's crucial that you include ALL income sources, not just your W-2 jobs. Make sure you're entering things like investment income, rental properties, etc. The other key is to update it quarterly since your situation might change throughout the year.
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