How Do Tax Brackets Actually Work With Married Filing Jointly vs. W4 Withholding?

This is a really common misunderstanding about tax brackets and withholding! Your issue isn't actually with the tax brackets themselves, but with how withholding is calculated when both spouses work. When you select "married filing jointly" on your W4, your employer assumes they're withholding for your ENTIRE household income, but they only know about what they pay you. They don't know about your spouse's income. So they're essentially withholding as if one of you doesn't work or earns very little. The solution isn't to select "married filing separately" on your W4 (which would overwithhold). Instead, you want to check the box in Step 2(c) of the current W4 form that says "If there are only two jobs total, you may check this box." This tells your employer to withhold at a higher single rate to account for both incomes. Alternatively, you can use the IRS withholding calculator to determine exactly how much extra to withhold and put that amount on line 4(c) of your W4. That's usually the most accurate approach. Remember, your withholding status on your W4 doesn't affect your actual filing status when you do your taxes - they're separate things!

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One thing that helped me understand this better was thinking of the tax brackets as buckets that fill up. Each bucket has a different tax rate: For 2023 Married Filing Jointly: $0-$22,000: 10% bucket $22,001-$89,450: 12% bucket $89,451-$190,750: 22% bucket And so on... If you and your spouse each make $60,000, individually you'd only fill up the 10% and part of the 12% bucket. But combined ($120,000), you fill the 10% bucket, the entire 12% bucket, and spill into the 22% bucket. The problem is that when your employer withholds based on "married filing jointly" without knowing about your spouse's income, they think you only need to fill those first two buckets. That's why you're underwithholding.

Just want to add that you don't want to select "married filing separately" on your W4 like you suggested. That's actually a specific tax filing status with its own tax brackets, and it's usually less favorable than married filing jointly. Many tax credits and deductions aren't available when you file separately. What you want is to either: 1. Check the box in Step 2(c) on the W4 form 2. Use the "Multiple Jobs Worksheet" on page 3 of the W4 3. Use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator online and follow its recommendations Also, it's not as simple as "gross salary minus 22%" because the US has a progressive tax system. You pay 10% on the first chunk of income, then 12% on the next chunk, then 22% on income above that threshold.