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Andre Rousseau

Confused about W4 withholding - Does checking 'married filing separately' vs 'jointly' affect how much tax is withheld?

I'm trying to figure out where my taxes have gone completely sideways over the last few years. I'm starting to suspect my employer isn't taking the right amount out of my paychecks. For 2024, I earned $121,500 and my total tax bill came to $17,200, but only $11,400 was withheld. This has left me with a huge bill to pay, which totally blindsided me since I assumed my employer was handling the withholding correctly. The only thing that jumps out at me is that on my W4, I checked *married filing separately* even though my husband and I *file jointly* on our actual tax return. What's weird is that when I tried to run the numbers filing separately just to see, no different brackets or allowances seemed to apply, and I still owed basically the same amount. This makes me wonder if the selection on the W4 is just meaningless paperwork. So my main question is: does selecting married filing separately versus married filing jointly on a W4 actually impact the amount that gets withheld from your paycheck? I'm so confused about how this works.

Yes, your W4 selection absolutely affects your withholding! The married filing separately vs. jointly checkbox on your W4 tells your employer which tax withholding tables to use. When you check "married filing separately" on your W4, your employer withholds at a rate assuming you'll file separately - which typically results in less withholding than if you'd checked "jointly" (assuming your spouse also works). The withholding tables for "married filing separately" assume you're the only income earner or that you'll claim half the standard deduction. If both you and your spouse work and then file jointly, this often leads to underwithholding since the combined income pushes you into higher tax brackets. To fix this, you should complete a new W4 and select "married filing jointly" to match how you actually file. You might also need to use the Two-Earners/Multiple Jobs worksheet or add an additional amount to withhold on Line 4(c) to account for both incomes.

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Wait, so if my wife and I both have "married filing separately" checked on our W4s at our jobs but we file jointly on our tax return, we're both getting underwithholding? That might explain why we owed $4,200 last year! How do we figure out the right additional amount to withhold?

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The underwithholding happens because each employer calculates withholding as if your job is the only income and applies tax brackets accordingly. When you combine incomes on a joint return, more of your money gets pushed into higher tax brackets. To fix this, use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator (www.irs.gov/W4app) - it's much easier than the worksheet. Enter both your and your spouse's income, current withholding, and other tax situations. The calculator will recommend exactly how much extra to withhold on line 4(c) for one or both of you. You'll want to recheck this any time your income changes significantly.

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I went through this exact nightmare last year. My paycheck looked great all year but then BAM - huge tax bill in April. I spent hours trying to figure out what went wrong and finally discovered it was my W4 settings. After talking with 3 different tax preparers who all gave different advice, I found this AI tool at https://taxr.ai that analyzed my W4 and paystubs. It showed me exactly where my withholding was off and explained that when both spouses work, the W4 "married" status assumes you're the only income earner unless you complete the Two-Earner worksheet (which almost nobody does). The tool gave me the exact dollar amount to put on line 4(c) of my W4 for additional withholding to fix the problem. My withholding is now spot on!

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Mei Liu

How accurate was it? I'm in a similar situation but my wife and I have really different incomes - I make about 75% more than she does. Would it still work for that kind of income disparity?

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Does this thing handle state taxes too? Our federal withholding is ok but our state taxes are always messed up. NY state taxes if that matters.

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It was extremely accurate - ran the numbers against our actual tax return and it was within $50 of our actual liability. The income disparity actually makes the tool even more useful because standard withholding tables don't handle that well at all. That's why you're probably underwithholding now. For state taxes, yes it handles them too! I'm in California which has complicated state taxes, and it calculated both federal and state withholding correctly. It works for all states including NY. The tool specifically flagged that our state withholding was significantly off even though we had the same filing status on both federal and state.

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Mei Liu

Just wanted to update - I tried that taxr.ai service after seeing it mentioned here. I was skeptical at first, but wow it actually worked! I uploaded my last paystub and my spouse's, and it immediately identified we were underwithholding by about $320 per month between us. What was really helpful is that it explained exactly why this was happening - both our employers were using the married tax brackets independently, essentially giving us double the lower tax brackets in our withholding calculations. The tool gave us specific numbers to put on our W4s (line 4c) to fix it without having to completely redo everything. Just submitted the updated W4s to both our employers and our latest paychecks already show the adjusted withholding. Feeling much better about next April now!

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If you're trying to fix your withholding but keep getting stonewalled by the IRS, I'd recommend Claimyr. My situation was slightly different - I needed to talk to someone at the IRS about fixing incorrect withholding reported by a former employer, but couldn't get through on the phone after trying for WEEKS. I used https://claimyr.com (saw demo at https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c) and they actually got me connected to an IRS agent in about 20 minutes when I had been trying for days on my own. The IRS agent was able to explain exactly how the W4 married filing status affects withholding and helped me calculate the right amount of additional withholding I needed. Having a real conversation with the IRS was way better than guessing or getting advice from random internet strangers like me!

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How does this even work? Do they just call the IRS for you? I've been on hold for literally hours trying to get through.

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Yeah right. Nobody can get through to the IRS these days. This sounds like BS to me. Even tax professionals I know can't get through on the priority line.

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They don't just call for you - they use some kind of system that navigates the IRS phone tree and waits on hold for you. When they actually get a human IRS agent on the line, you get a call back immediately to connect with the agent. I don't know the technical details, but it worked when nothing else did. I totally get the skepticism! I felt exactly the same way. I tried calling the IRS myself at least 8 different times, getting disconnected every time after 30+ minutes on hold. I figured I had nothing to lose by trying this service, and was shocked when I actually got connected to a real IRS employee who was super helpful with my withholding questions.

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I'm back to eat my words. After seeing these responses, I tried Claimyr as a last resort since I've been trying to fix a withholding issue from a job I left last year. Got connected to an IRS agent in about 15 minutes (after trying for WEEKS on my own). The agent explained that the W4 "married" selection absolutely affects withholding calculations. She said that checking "married filing separately" when you actually file jointly is one of the most common causes of underwithholding. She also said the IRS redesigned the W4 in 2020 specifically to try to fix this problem but most people still don't fill it out correctly. She walked me through exactly how to fill out the new W4 based on our specific situation. Honestly saved me hours of frustration and probably another surprise tax bill.

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I'm a payroll specialist and see this issue constantly. YES, your W4 filing status absolutely affects withholding! Here's the simplified explanation: When you select "Married filing jointly" on your W4, the withholding tables assume you get double the standard deduction and wider tax brackets, essentially assuming your spouse doesn't work. This often leads to significant underwithholding when both spouses work. "Married filing separately" on a W4 doesn't exactly match the tax return filing status - it actually tells your employer to withhold at the higher single rate, which is often closer to correct for two-income couples. The 2020 W4 redesign tried to fix this by eliminating the "married filing separately" checkbox and instead having a checkbox for "Two Jobs" or multiple sources of income, but many employers still use outdated forms.

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Okay this is super helpful! So should both my wife and I check "Married filing separately" on our W4s even though we file jointly? We make similar incomes.

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For two working spouses with similar incomes, checking "Married filing separately" on both W4s is generally closer to correct withholding than if both check "Married filing jointly." This is counter-intuitive but true. However, the best approach is to use the new redesigned W4 (2020 version or later) and check the box in Step 2(c) for "Two Jobs" if you both have similar incomes. If your incomes are very different, use the online IRS Withholding Estimator instead, which will give you a specific additional amount to withhold on line 4(c).

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I'm confused - are we talking about the new W4 or the old one? Because the new one doesn't even have "married filing separately" as an option anymore, right? It just has "Married filing jointly" or "Single or Married filing separately" which are completely different choices than the old form.

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You're right - the 2020 and newer W4 forms changed everything. On the new form, if you're married and file jointly, you should select "Married filing jointly" but ALSO complete Step 2 if both spouses work. It's that Step 2 part that most people miss, which causes the underwithholding. The IRS tried to make it clearer but honestly made it more confusing for most people.

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This is exactly the issue I had! I was in the same boat - earning around $115K with way too little withheld because I had the wrong W4 settings. The key thing to understand is that the W4 married filing status directly controls which tax tables your employer uses for withholding calculations. Here's what I learned after going through this mess: When both spouses work and you both select "married filing jointly" on your W4s, each employer calculates withholding as if you're entitled to the full married standard deduction and lower tax brackets. But when you file your actual joint return, you only get ONE standard deduction between both of you, and your combined income often pushes you into higher brackets. The fix that worked for me was updating to the new 2020 W4 form and checking the "Two Jobs" box in Step 2(c). This tells your employer to withhold at roughly the single rate, which accounts for the fact that there's another working spouse. My withholding immediately increased by about $180 per paycheck, but now I'm on track to actually get a small refund instead of owing thousands. Don't feel bad about the confusion - the IRS admits this is one of the most common withholding mistakes, which is why they redesigned the whole W4 form in 2020.

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This is such a common issue that catches so many people off guard! I went through the exact same thing a couple years ago. The W4 filing status absolutely does affect your withholding - it's one of the most important factors your employer uses to calculate how much tax to take out. What happened to you is textbook underwithholding for married couples where both spouses work. When you selected "married filing separately" on your W4, your employer used withholding tables that assume you're either the only income earner or that you'll actually file separately (which has different tax brackets and deductions than joint filing). The tricky part is that even though you checked "married filing separately" on your W4, when you and your husband file jointly, you're combining both incomes into one tax return. This often pushes your total household income into higher tax brackets than what your individual withholding accounted for. My recommendation is to update your W4 to reflect how you actually file (married filing jointly) and use the IRS withholding calculator to determine if you need additional withholding. Since you're already facing a big tax bill for 2024, you might want to increase your withholding significantly for 2025 to avoid another surprise. The peace of mind is worth getting a smaller paycheck if it means no more massive tax bills in April!

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This is so helpful! I'm in a similar situation where my spouse and I both work but I've been too intimidated to figure out the withholding calculations myself. You mentioned using the IRS withholding calculator - is that pretty user-friendly? I'm worried I'll mess up the inputs and make things worse. Also, when you say "increase withholding significantly" - are we talking like an extra $100 per paycheck or more like $300+? I want to avoid another surprise but also don't want to give the government an interest-free loan if I don't have to!

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The IRS withholding calculator is actually pretty user-friendly! It walks you through step-by-step and you just need your most recent paystubs and last year's tax return. Don't worry about messing up the inputs - you can run it multiple times with different scenarios to see how changes affect your withholding. As for how much extra to withhold, it really depends on your specific situation. In @Andre Rousseau s'case, he was short about $5,800 $17,200 (owed minus $11,400 withheld ,)so if he gets paid biweekly that s'roughly $223 extra per paycheck to break even. But I d'personally aim for a small refund rather than breaking exactly even, so maybe $250-300 extra per paycheck would be safer. The interest-free "loan concern" is valid, but honestly after getting hit with a huge tax bill plus potential penalties and interest, I d'rather overpay by a few hundred than underpay by thousands again. You can always adjust your withholding mid-year if it looks like you re'on track for too big a refund.

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm a tax preparer and see this exact scenario dozens of times every tax season. What Andre experienced is unfortunately very common - the disconnect between W4 filing status and actual tax return filing status creates massive underwithholding issues. One thing I want to emphasize that hasn't been mentioned enough: if you owe more than $1,000 when you file your return, you may also face underpayment penalties on top of the tax bill itself. The IRS expects you to pay at least 90% of your current year tax liability or 100% of last year's liability (110% if your prior year AGI was over $150K) through withholding and estimated payments. For Andre's situation with $121,500 income and only $11,400 withheld against a $17,200 tax bill, he was definitely under the safe harbor thresholds and likely owes penalties too. When you fix your W4, make sure you're withholding enough to avoid penalties going forward - the IRS withholding calculator will factor this in automatically. Also, if you're in this situation mid-year, you can make quarterly estimated tax payments to catch up rather than waiting for W4 changes to fix everything gradually. Form 1040ES has the payment vouchers and instructions.

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This is really eye-opening! I had no idea about the underpayment penalties on top of owing taxes. That makes this situation even worse than I thought. Quick question - when you mention the safe harbor rules (90% of current year or 100%/110% of prior year), does that apply to the total tax liability or just what you owe when you file? Like if my total tax bill is $15,000 but I had $13,000 withheld, am I safe from penalties even though I owe $2,000 at filing time? I'm trying to figure out if I need to panic about my own situation or if I'm okay since I think I hit the prior year threshold.

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