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Jamal Carter

Tax Question: Why did I claim 0 allowances with no extra withholdings but still got a tiny refund in 2025?

So I've got this weird tax situation that's driving me crazy, and nobody seems to have a real answer. Really hoping someone here can shed some light! My husband and I both work for the same retail chain. We set up our W-4 forms exactly the same way - both claiming 0 for federal and state taxes, 0 allowances, and we don't have any extra withholdings from our weekly checks. We have different positions though. I make around $34,000 annually, while he earns about $25,500. Here's where it gets strange: He just filed his taxes and got a pretty decent federal refund of like $1,350 and about $120 state refund. This is pretty much what he gets every year. I filed mine and only got back $11 federal and $105 state! In previous years when I worked at a different company (earning similar money, about $26,000), I always got refunds around $950-$1,200. I'm completely confused why my refund is practically nothing when we claim the exact same on our W-4s! Some people told me that the company decides how much they withhold and that I'd need to request an extra $25 per paycheck in withholdings to get a normal refund. But that feels like I'm just creating a forced savings account where I loan the government my money interest-free just to get a refund. My husband doesn't do any extra withholding and still gets a good refund every year. Does anyone know what could be causing this difference? Is there something about our tax situation I'm missing?

This is a common situation that confuses a lot of people! Even though you and your husband have the same W-4 settings (0 allowances), the actual withholding is calculated based on your individual paychecks, not just the W-4 form. What's likely happening is that your payroll system is projecting your annual income based on each paycheck and calculating withholding accordingly. Since you make more than your husband, the system may be withholding at a more accurate rate for you than for him. Remember, a tax refund isn't free money - it just means you overpaid throughout the year. Your husband is overpaying by about $1,350, while you're paying almost exactly what you owe (hence the tiny $11 refund). From a purely financial perspective, your situation is actually better because you've had access to that money all year instead of waiting for a refund. If you really want a larger refund, you can request additional withholding on your W-4. But understand that you're essentially just creating a forced savings account with 0% interest, as you mentioned.

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But wouldn't it be the opposite? Shouldn't the person making more money (OP) have MORE withheld and therefore get a bigger refund than the person making less money (husband)? That's what confuses me about this situation.

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That's a good question! You'd think that higher income would mean more withholding and a larger refund, but it's actually about the accuracy of withholding, not just the amount. The withholding tables are designed to estimate your annual tax obligation. For the husband making less, the system might be withholding a higher percentage than he actually needs to pay based on his tax bracket and situation. For the OP making more, the system might be calculating almost exactly what she will owe, resulting in very little overpayment.

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One thing nobody has mentioned is that the new W-4 form (redesigned in 2020) doesn't use allowances anymore. If you're still thinking in terms of "claiming 0" that suggests you might be using outdated terminology or your employer might be using an older system. The current W-4 uses a different approach with various steps for income adjustments, deductions, and credits. When was the last time you actually filled out a W-4? Your withholding settings might be based on old forms that were converted to the new system, which could explain some discrepancies.

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We both updated our W-4s in January 2024, but you're right - the form doesn't have allowances anymore. I guess I was using the old terminology! When we filled them out, we both selected "single" filing status (even though we're married) and didn't check the box for multiple jobs or put any additional amounts. Basically, we tried to have the maximum withheld. Should we be filling them out differently?

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Ah, that explains a lot! By both selecting "single" filing status when you're actually married, you're creating an artificial situation that doesn't match your actual tax filing status. This is a common approach people use to increase withholding, but it can have inconsistent results. A better approach would be to select your actual filing status of "Married" and then use Step 4(c) to specify an additional withholding amount if you want more taken out. The IRS has a Tax Withholding Estimator tool on their website that can help you determine the exact amount to withhold for your desired refund size.

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Your company's payroll system might be using different pay frequencies for different departments, which affects withholding calculations. I had this exact issue! My husband was paid bi-weekly (26 paychecks per year) while I was technically semi-monthly (24 paychecks per year) even though we worked at the same company. This small difference caused our withholding calculations to be different despite identical W-4 settings. Check your pay stubs and see if there's any difference in how often you're paid or how your pay periods are defined. This tiny detail caused a $900 difference in our refunds one year!

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This is actually a really good point! My spouse and I had this exact situation - same company, same W-4 settings, but I was salary (semi-monthly) and she was hourly (bi-weekly). The tax withholding formulas are different for these pay schedules!

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