Federal taxes withheld seems extremely low this year - Why am I owing money when claiming 0?
I'm really confused about my federal tax withholding situation. I joined my current company about two years ago, and after the first year, I ended up owing a bunch of money to the IRS because not enough federal taxes were being withheld. The weird thing is, I always complete my W4 the exact same way regardless of where I work - Married filing jointly, claiming 0 dependents. Looking at my recent pay stubs, I can see that for this past year, I earned about $68,000 but only had $1,321 withheld for federal taxes. To put this in perspective, at my previous job where I only worked for about two months at the beginning of the year, I earned around $10,200 and had $758 in federal taxes withheld. What's really strange is that I've talked to several coworkers, and they're all experiencing the same issue! They all said they've never owed taxes at previous employers, but at this company, everyone seems to end up owing. Is there something wrong with our company's payroll system? Why would the withholding be so different from other places when my W4 information is exactly the same? Anyone else experienced this or know what might be happening?
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Mei Wong
It sounds like there might be an issue with how your employer is calculating withholding. The "Married filing jointly" option on a W-4 actually assumes that you're the only working spouse in the household, which often results in less withholding than needed for two-income households. After the 2020 W-4 form changes, there's no longer a "claim 0" option. Instead, you need to use the Multiple Jobs Worksheet or check the box in Step 2 for "Multiple Jobs" if both you and your spouse work. This tells your employer to withhold at a higher single rate. I'd recommend checking your W-4 to see if it's the older version or the newer one. If it's the newer version (post-2020), make sure you've checked the box in Step 2 for multiple jobs or completed the Multiple Jobs Worksheet. You might also consider requesting additional withholding on line 4(c) - maybe $100-200 per paycheck depending on your situation.
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Jamal Anderson
•Thanks for this explanation. I actually didn't realize the "married filing jointly" option assumes I'm the only working spouse. My wife does work full-time too. So even though I'm claiming 0 dependents, the system is still under-withholding because it thinks my income is the only household income? Is this something my employer should know about? I'm frustrated that HR never mentioned this when so many employees have the same problem.
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Mei Wong
•Yes, that's exactly the issue! Even when claiming 0 on the old forms, the "Married" rate assumes you're the only income in the household, so it spreads your income across the married tax brackets, resulting in lower withholding. Your employer isn't necessarily doing anything wrong. The withholding system is just following the information you provided. HR departments typically don't give tax advice because everyone's situation is different. I'd recommend completing a new W-4 and either checking the box in Step 2 for multiple jobs or selecting "Married but withhold at higher Single rate" if you're using an older form. You can also just add an additional dollar amount to be withheld from each paycheck in Step 4(c) of the new form.
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QuantumQuasar
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Liam McGuire
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Amara Eze
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QuantumQuasar
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Amara Eze
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Giovanni Greco
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Fatima Al-Farsi
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Dylan Wright
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Giovanni Greco
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Dylan Wright
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Sofia Torres
Something else to check - make sure your employer is actually submitting the W-4 info correctly to their payroll system. At my last job, I filled out the form correctly but HR entered it wrong, and I had massive underwithholding. I'd suggest comparing your actual paystub withholding to the IRS withholding calculator results (https://apps.irs.gov/app/tax-withholding-estimator) using your income and W-4 elections. If they don't match up, your employer might be processing something incorrectly.
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Jamal Anderson
•That's a good point. I'll definitely check the IRS calculator against my pay stubs. Is there anything specific I should look for to spot potential errors in how the company is processing my W-4?
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Sofia Torres
•Look at the withholding status code on your paystub - it should indicate whether you're being withheld at the Single rate or Married rate. Some payroll systems use codes like "M-0" for Married with 0 allowances or "S-0" for Single with 0 allowances on older systems. If you requested "Married but withhold at higher Single rate" but see an "M" code, that could be the issue. Also check if your additional withholding amount (if you requested one) is showing up as a separate line item. Some companies forget to enter that part. Finally, run your gross pay through the calculator and see if the federal withholding amount matches within $10-20 of what the IRS calculator says it should be. If it's significantly lower, something's definitely wrong in how they're processing your W-4.
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GalacticGuardian
The same thing happened to me. One thing no one has mentioned yet - check if your employer offers any pre-tax deductions that might be lowering your taxable wages. Things like: - 401k contributions - HSA/FSA contributions - Health insurance premiums - Commuter benefits I found out my federal withholding seemed super low because almost $20k of my salary wasn't being taxed due to maxing out my 401k and having expensive health insurance. Those pre-tax deductions reduced my taxable income substantially.
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Dmitry Smirnov
•This is a really important point! I had the same confusion until I realized my company's generous 401k match and profit sharing was reducing my taxable income. OP, do you have significant pre-tax deductions that might explain some of the difference between your current and previous jobs?
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Sofia Morales
I had a very similar situation at my current job! What helped me was actually requesting my payroll department to show me exactly how they were calculating my withholding. It turned out they were using an older version of the withholding tables that didn't account for the 2017 tax law changes properly. Here's what I'd recommend: First, use the IRS withholding calculator online with your exact pay information to see what your withholding SHOULD be. Then compare that to what's actually being withheld. If there's a big difference, take both numbers to your HR/payroll department and ask them to verify their calculations. Also, since you mentioned your coworkers are having the same issue, this really does sound like a systemic problem with how your company is processing W-4s or which withholding tables they're using. You might want to bring this up as a group - sometimes companies are more responsive when multiple employees raise the same concern. The fact that this is happening to everyone suggests it's not just individual W-4 errors. In the meantime, I'd definitely recommend adding extra withholding on line 4(c) of your W-4 to cover the gap until the underlying issue gets resolved.
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NightOwl42
•This is really helpful advice! I'm definitely going to use the IRS calculator to compare what should be withheld versus what actually is being taken out. The idea of approaching HR as a group makes a lot of sense too - if everyone is having the same problem, it's probably not individual mistakes but something systematic with how they're processing our forms. Do you remember what specific issue your payroll department had with the withholding tables? I'm curious if it might be the same problem we're facing. Also, when you requested the extra withholding on line 4(c), how did you calculate how much additional amount to request?
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