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Claiming 0 on my W4 but still ended up owing taxes this year - what happened?

I'm really confused about my tax situation this year and hoping someone can explain what's going on. I've always claimed 0 on my W4 (I double-checked with HR yesterday and I'm definitely listed as single with 0 allowances for both state and federal) to make sure I get the maximum amount withheld from each paycheck. Just finished inputting my W2 into my tax software and was shocked to see I owe the federal government $392.00! This has never happened before - I typically get a small refund each year. I understand sometimes owing a little bit ($40-$100 range) can happen, but nearly $400? Did something change with withholding calculations recently? Are there any common reasons why I'd suddenly owe this much despite claiming 0? Is this happening to other people too? Really appreciate any insights! This is messing up my budget since I was counting on at least a small refund.

The W4 form actually changed substantially in 2020, and they got rid of the "allowances" system entirely (including the option to claim "0"). The newer W4 uses a different calculation method that's supposed to be more accurate. If you haven't updated your W4 since that change, your employer might still be using the old withholding tables or trying to approximate your withholding based on outdated information. This could explain the discrepancy you're seeing. Other common reasons for unexpectedly owing taxes: - Did you have any additional income this year that wasn't taxed (side gig, investment income, etc.)? - Did you receive any bonuses that might have been under-withheld? - Did you have fewer deductions than previous years? - Did your income increase, potentially pushing you into a higher tax bracket? Without seeing your full tax situation, it's hard to pinpoint exactly what happened, but these are common culprits when people suddenly owe despite conservative withholding.

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Wait, they got rid of allowances? I'm still filling out W4s with allowances at my job. Does that mean my employer is using outdated forms? Should I talk to HR about this?

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Yes, the IRS redesigned the W4 form in 2020 to simplify it and make withholding more accurate. If your employer is still using the language of "allowances" or having you claim "0," they might be using outdated terminology or internal systems that haven't been fully updated. It wouldn't hurt to talk to your HR department about completing a new W4. The updated form asks more specific questions about multiple jobs, spouse's income, dependents, and other adjustments rather than using the old allowance system. This can help ensure your withholding is more accurate for next year.

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I don't believe this would help with the original question. The IRS can't tell you why your specific employer didn't withhold enough - that's between you and your payroll department. Sounds like a waste of money when OP could just talk to HR.

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Just wanted to add something that hasn't been mentioned yet. If you received any unemployment benefits in the past year, that could also be part of why you're owing taxes. A lot of people don't realize unemployment is taxable income, and often the default withholding on it is very low or zero unless you specifically request more to be withheld.

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I didn't receive any unemployment, but that's good info to keep in mind! I think based on other comments, it might be related to the W4 form changes and possibly my raise last year. Going to check with my HR department about updating my withholding.

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Is anyone else having this issue too? I also always claim 0 and usually get around $1,000 back, but this year I only got $218. Not owing like OP but definitely a big change from previous years.

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Same here! I claimed 0 all year and ended up owing $175. My coworker had the same thing happen. I think there might have been some change to how taxes are calculated or withheld that a lot of us weren't aware of.

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Interesting to hear others are experiencing this too. Makes me feel like it's not just something I did wrong. I'm going to look into updating my W4 with the new form like others have suggested.

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